S2 Ep1009: Amanda Carpenter: Daddy? No, Manny Trump

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What are the Hands Off America rallies about?

Tim Miller 0:30
Hallo und willkommen zu The Bulwark Podcast. Ich bin euer Host Tim Miller. Eine Sache, bevor wir zu unserem All-Caps-Guest kommen. Ich habe von einigen Leuten gehört, dass es ein bisschen ein Verständnis gibt, über ein Konvo, das ich und Love It haben am Ende des Pods gestern. Ich möchte nur klarstellen. Ich habe gesagt, dass es diese Hands-Off-America-Rallye gibt, die am 5. April stattfindet. I brought that up at the very end after a pod that was pretty emotionally draining. We were talking in the context of this disconnect between the intensity of our alarm and anger and sadness with what was out there in the world. I heard from some folks that seemed to interpret that as dismissiveness about these rallies. I just wanted to be super clear that that is not what I intended.
Tim Miller 1:19
The opposite, actually. I want to make sure we'll put a link to the list of the gatherings in the show notes. If you feel called to go, I encourage you to do so. I hope to see a lot of people out on April 5th. And I think that my point yesterday is, you know, this is kind of an incubator. This thing is going to take time. We're not seeing the initial emotional reaction that we saw in 2017. And that is disappointing, but you got to start somewhere. So there you go. April 5th, Hands Off America rallies. All right. Our guest today is a former colleague. She's a writer and editor at Protect Democracy. She's a co-author of the authoritarian playbook for 2025 and a contributor to Protect Democracy's If You Can Keep It sub stack. It's Amanda Carpenter. How you doing, girl?

What are Amanda Carpenter's thoughts on recent political events?

Amanda Carpenter 2:04
Hey, I'm, you know, and it feels weird to say I'm doing great. I'm doing okay. We're here. It's Friday. I felt like I had to wake up and just like preparing for this, like just take a few deep cleansing breaths because there's so much going on. But I am, if there's anybody to get into it with.
Tim Miller 2:24
Ich bin froh, mit dir hier zu sein.
Amanda Carpenter 2:53
Ja, we get sometimes these tips at our work for like self-care, how to take care of yourself. You're such a lib now. You're getting self-care tips. Well, no, I took up running a couple years ago. It's like, you know, like that takes a lot of boxes off from me. You get out in the sunshine, you get time away from the screen. Like it takes care of a lot of things in one. Actually, my husband does yoga. I don't do yoga. It's kind of funny. I'm like, that's your thing. I'm just going out on the trails. But, you know, everybody, everybody get outside is what I'm saying.
Tim Miller 3:21
Yeah, get outside, get some vitamin D. Go to a rally, take a run. Go to a crawfish boil. That's what I'll be doing this weekend. I have my note for beginning the podcast with Protect Democracy, Amanda Potpourri. I mean, there's so many threats to democracy out there that I don't want to be in charge of what the biggest threat is, where the doomsday clock is the closest to midnight.

Why is free speech under threat in America?

Tim Miller 3:43
So I want to let you... Go first. You tell me. What are you guys monitoring that has you the most alarmed out of all the bullshit that's out there?
Amanda Carpenter 3:53
I would say I don't want to speak for the group. I'm here speaking for myself. But right now, I mean, honestly, the most urgent thing that is in your face, on tape, easiest to see and understand are the people being nabbed out the streets without any due process. And thank Thank you, Tim. You have been on this in a way that, you know, you humanize it, put a lens on it, talk about this person that got shipped off to El Salvador. And this is deliberately a complex issue that Trump chose to divide the pro-democracy coalition. You know, like I see these many debates happening. You know, is this an immigration issue? Is it a speech issue? How about it's just a basic issue? Sure.

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