Sarah Longwell and Bill Kristol: We're Governed by Broken Men
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm Sarah Longwell, sitting in for the one and only Tim Miller, because he is on summer vacation, which he deserves. Don't you worry, even though Tim is not here, Bill Kristol is. So we're going to do a regular Monday show where we spin through the news. Bill, I want to start first by saying, if it looks like I am sweaty, it is not because I'm so nervous to sit in Tim's chair. It's because I'm on a fitness journey now. with Coach Robbie, and I just worked out, so everybody's just going to have to put up with a little schvitzing for a second.
I didn't even notice, but it's an honor to be on with the one and only Sarah Longwell. I mean, Tim Miller's every week, but Sarah Longwell, this is something, you know? It's a big upgrade.
This is. This is a big deal. Did you watch the game last night, the World Cup game, the final?
I did. I did.
Who were you rooting for?
I was sort of, you know, ambivalent going in, but I ended up rooting for Spain because Argentina is a pretty dirty team, I've got to say. And Spain, it does play kind of beautiful soccer in its own careful and precise, but pretty impressive way. So I was happy that Spain won. And what about you?
I was rooting for Argentina. The only way I was, I was thinking about how Americans choose who they're going to root for in a game like this. And I was, I've been asking people and everybody's got their own, like my wife was rooting for Spain because she studied abroad there. I was rooting for Argentina because Evita is my third favorite musical. And, you know, that's all I had, but it led me to get back. very intense about it. But I bring up the World Cup because there's some intersection with the news today because we're going to have to talk about Iran. You know, three service members were killed, possibly four over the weekend. At least two were killed in an Iranian attack on a U.S. airbase in Jordan, which has been, like, that is our key hub for air force strikes against Iran.
Another soldier's missing, and there's a set of unidentified remains. We're in a new phase now in terms of the tensions with Iran. And I... I saw somebody mention this and it struck me as interesting, which is that now that the World Cup is over, that the World Cup is actually this moment where tensions tend to ease and that the end of the World Cup might signal sort of a flaring of tensions again because the international community is kind of not doing a kumbaya thing. Is that a crazy thing or does that sound right?
Yeah, I don't know. I hadn't really thought of it that way. I was just struck, and I wrote about this in Morning Shots, by the intersection of world politics and Iran that Trump played golf Saturday and then I think was at his club in northern Jersey and then went to the game and sat in his air-conditioned box and then came down. And it was amazing. The photo that Sarah Rogers pulled from Morning Shots is fantastic. Trump butts into the ceremony where the head of FIFA says, It was kind of a showboat himself, incidentally. But anyway, Trump out showboats him by butting in and being part of the medal presenting ceremony, which I don't recall is the normal practice of these kinds of events. The president of the host country just invites himself down there.
But he's in there putting medals on people and and then he's trying to be in the in the photos. And then finally, the FIFA president, the FIFA head says, OK, you know, basically we time to go, let them have their celebration. And that's what people want to see is them being rambunctious.
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