Tom Malinowski: Fight the Power, Dems
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Who is Tom Malinowski and what are his views on Trump?
Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to be here today with Tom Malinowski, Representative of Jersey's 7th Congressional District from 2019 to 2023. He was Assistant Secretary of State during the Obama administration, concentrating on democracy and human rights. And he wrote for us last week, five things Dems must do to fight Trump now. Want to talk about all of it. So welcome to the pod. How you doing, Congressman? I'm great. Everything's so wonderful. Is that right? What do you go by as a former congressman? You just want to be Tom? Do you want to be sir? Do you want to do sir? Your Excellency. Your Excellency? Just Tom's fine, yeah. We'll try out a couple different ones and see how it goes. All right.
You know, I don't know that we're going to be doing democracy and human rights anymore at the State Department. So we're going to get to that and we're going to get to your recommendations. But Donald Trump did an interview last night on Fox. There was a lot of typical nonsense about, you know, election fraud and Greenland and whatever. But there was a substantive policy exchange that I wanted to get your take on. Here's Trump talking about his plans for what's happening in Ukraine.
What are Trump's plans for Ukraine and how does Tom Malinowski respond?
I want to have our money secured because we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars. And, you know, they may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday or they may not be Russian someday. But we're going to have all this money in there. And I say I want it back. And I told them that I want the equivalent, like five hundred billion dollars worth of rare earth. And they've essentially agreed to do that.
They might be Russian someday. It's an interesting thing to say about an ally. What do you think about that? Yeah, I don't know where to start.
There's so much shitty stuff going on right now. I actually think I'm less depressed about Ukraine than I am about a lot of other things.
Okay.
Because... Do we have to rank? Yeah, well, it's a low bar. I mean, what he just said was insane on about five different levels, but we can work with it. Zelensky and the Ukrainians are smart. I think they've made the best of this situation. And there are actually a couple of smart people that Trump has hired, including General Keith Kellogg, to run this Ukraine negotiation. And, you know, the answer on rare earth minerals is that they're mostly in Eastern Ukraine and the parts Ukraine that the Russians have occupied. So you want American companies in there, which the Ukrainians would be delighted to allow helping to mine rare earth minerals. Well, the Ukraine's got to control that territory, not Russia. Putin's not going to give us access to anything.
And then the stuff about giving us our money back, right? Obviously, that's just nonsense. Most of the money we've spent has been spent in the United States. So you're going to have to ask American companies and American workers to give the money back, which is just nonsense that he doesn't understand. But there is at least a decent shot
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
Who is Tom Malinowski and what are his views on Trump?
1:08–2:12
2
What are Trump's plans for Ukraine and how does Tom Malinowski respond?
2:12–7:39
3
How does the global perception of the U.S. change under Trump's leadership?
7:39–16:16
4
What strategies should Democrats use to challenge Trump's policies?
16:16–27:39
5
How should Democrats approach the upcoming budget and potential government shutdown?
27:39–58:37
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