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The Chipping Forecast

The Wood, The Mad and The Club-Tree

11 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What challenges has Chris Wood faced in his golf career?

5.077 - 15.677 Andrew Cotter

It's time now for the Chipping Forecast in association with Peter Millar. Brought to you by Andrew Cotter, Eddie Pepperell and special guest Ian Carter.

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26.187 - 48.149 Ian Carter

Hello there, hello and welcome to the Chipping Forecast once again. Moodlifting golf this week, amazing victories, debut victories, heartwarming victories and we're looking forward to the second men's major of the season. the least important of the four. Andrew Carter here, to which point some people go, yeah. We're without Ian this week, badgerless, because he's on his way to the USA.

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48.25 - 65.265 Ian Carter

I mean, he was actually available. We all were, but it meant having to, all of us, do a very early recording, and we decided... Bugger that for a game of soldiers. So what we'll do instead, I think, is that Ian and I will do another pod on Wednesday night, doing a bit more detail on the PGA Championship.

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65.365 - 80.933 Ian Carter

Once all the players have spoken, and Ian's been badgering around on the ground, the badger and the mink, we're not going to be doing daily pods this week, but we'll set it up a little bit more on Wednesday. Today, Eddie and I will chat, but we're going to be joined by another special guest at some point. Oh, he's...

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80.913 - 103.45 Ian Carter

oh no he's actually entered the chat now hang on a second I said he could enter whenever we'll just hang on I'll just admit him admit admit Chris Wood let's see him join yeah oh Hi Eddie, how are you, incidentally, anyway? I'm doing very well, and hello Woody. Hello boys. Look at that, straight into it. Are you happy to go straight into recording, Chris?

103.47 - 105.013 Ian Carter

I mean, you've got no choice in the matter.

105.193 - 113.687 Chris Wood

I am, yeah, let's do it. I thought I was going to get a little bit of pre-chat from you two, but I could just sit quietly and listen in to it.

113.667 - 133.728 Ian Carter

No, I mean, I was doing my introduction and I did say to you, you could join whenever. So fair enough, you joined whenever. So we are going to chat about all sorts of things before we come to the aforementioned heartwarming victory. Incredible win, not incredible. That sounds like no one believed you would do it, but actually quite predictable win, but amazing win anyway.

133.768 - 155.571 Ian Carter

So we'll chat about that specifically, but you can join in on anything. okay yeah absolutely cool be still your giddy heart so yeah so Ian's not here but look we've still got three because and two tour players and one hopeless clown so how are you anyway Eddie champ not champ 17th place champ I'm not the champ today that's for sure I'm okay

Chapter 2: How did Eddie Pepperell perform in the recent tournaments?

410.573 - 437.36 Ian Carter

No, it was after Saturday, actually, that we had a message from Luke Lambourne, who's a friend, colleague, who said he'd received a message from somebody out in Spain. Here it is. Here's the message. Some Spaniard just climbed a tree to get Eddie's mini driver. And then shortly after that, you actually sent a video of somebody foraging through the trees and filming this guy up the tree.

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437.42 - 440.886 Ian Carter

So this was the, take us through the 16th on the Saturday.

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441.587 - 454.08 Eddie Pepperell

Great part. Eventful hole. I hit my tee shot in the right trees just through my driver. And I shouldn't have done because it was really the only bad drive I hit all week with it. But I was so frustrated and up it went into the trees.

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454.12 - 471.327 Eddie Pepperell

I saw it get stuck up there and I just carried on marching down the fairway accepting that for the final two holes I'll need to hit my five wood or two iron and that'd be that. And then I saw the video of some poor Spanish guy climbing the tree and dismounting in quite a erratic way.

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471.347 - 474.171 Ian Carter

I thought he'd done his ankle to be honest and he would have sued you.

474.151 - 488.914 Eddie Pepperell

And then I was really worried because you posted it on Instagram and I thought this is not a good look for a DP World Tour player. Not a good look for the Tour generally. So I'm half expecting the tournament director to call me today and issue me with a fine, which I'll of course pass on to you for making this public. That's a very good point actually.

488.955 - 499.912 Eddie Pepperell

I should have, usually I run things past you. Usually it's me that thinks about, you that thinks about the clerical things and me that doesn't. But in this instance, I think you're after me. But yeah. Yeah, we've all done it, Woody, haven't we?

500.092 - 515.718 Eddie Pepperell

I mean, it was only a year ago on the Challenge Tour when a referee, Matt Slander, Matt Slander, rather, sorry, was Matt Slander, isn't he the guy from Glorious Bastards? He was on top of a buggy trying to retrieve my three-wood with a big stick on the Challenge Tour.

515.838 - 522.99 Ian Carter

Yeah, we're chuckling about it and you're saying that everybody's done it. I don't think that Chris Wood will ever have thrown a club, certainly not one up a tree.

Chapter 3: What insights can we gain from Kristoffer Reitan's debut PGA Tour win?

866.917 - 882.36 Eddie Pepperell

I said, sorry. And he said, don't be silly. You just cost me 500 quid. No, he took it. I didn't really give a shit. I think at that moment he was, he was thinking about other things. And I mean, right. He came up in the interview and I just said in the interview, what the last hole perfectly epitomizes golf. And, and,

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882.34 - 903.679 Eddie Pepperell

And I kind of envy you for retiring because you've just witnessed exactly why we all both love and hate this game in equal measure. So it was a bizarre way to finish and an unfortunate one for me. But let's get on to the story. We've got the main man here. No, no, no, no, no, no. Chris is enjoying putting you... One more question. Yeah, go, Chris. Who's next? Who's next on the bag?

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904.359 - 912.246 Eddie Pepperell

Oh, I think that's... I'm not entirely sure. There'll be some... There'll be a fill-in, I think. And maybe TTJ will do some. We'll have to...

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912.226 - 931.264 Ian Carter

see who's available and then make a decision as this week progresses Eddie we're not even close to being finished with Spain yet can we talk wedgies as well because the former tennis player is intrigued by your wedge game there were a couple of interesting ones out there certainly did you hit a couple of them first of all was there a shank out of the fairway bunker in 17?

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931.244 - 951.195 Eddie Pepperell

No, no, no. That was actually a tough bunker shot. I had to go over some trees and I just caught it a little bit heavy and it went in the trees. So I think the fats, the one was fat on the 10th hole in my opening round. But would you remember this? If you played El Prat in 2015, the 10th holes are par three, sorry, par five up the hill, second shot. And the green is so undulating back to front.

951.395 - 968.788 Eddie Pepperell

Back in 2015, the greens were firm. I think ironically this time around with the green spin softer, it made the third shot more difficult because you would spin the ball off the front and to take, you had to hit uphill 10 yards off a downhill lie, trying to take spin off. So taking one extra club, it was a very challenging shot to have to hit twice in the week.

968.808 - 972.996 Eddie Pepperell

I actually went for it the second shot and that was the right play. If you could get up by the green, but yeah,

972.976 - 1002.291 Ian Carter

um no one one of so one of those if i'm making any sense here on 10 one of them was fat but one wasn't it just spanned back off the front so you know a sandwich flew 120 yards and ended up 80 yards so if i can go through your last few results i kind of haven't got them in front of me and i can't remember but you've had a nice series of results a couple of top 10s and they're a top 20 here you've made some good money early season you seem to be hitting the ball better yes you missed a few parts but you're giving yourself so many opportunities so generally speaking and for once i'm being serious

1002.271 - 1009.092 Ian Carter

you must be feeling if a little frustrated at the way things finished yesterday you must be feeling pretty good about your game

Chapter 4: What is the significance of the upcoming men's major at Aronimink?

1346.838 - 1347.919 Eddie Pepperell

I think he was leading by about six.

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1348.259 - 1353.083 Chris Wood

Right. So he stretched his lead. What a course record. Yeah.

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1353.364 - 1355.666 Eddie Pepperell

Eight under, nine under, nine under over the weekend, I think.

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1355.966 - 1356.226 Chris Wood

Was it?

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1356.506 - 1375.283 Eddie Pepperell

Just remarkable. And I have to say around that golf course, it's not the toughest course in the world, but it was not easy. 14 under second. So, you know, that's a pretty, that's a good winning score, but just completely decimated the field and Well, I don't really know what to predict for him because you watch him and you think, well, the sky's the limit.

1375.303 - 1386.734 Eddie Pepperell

But at the same time, he's kind of not been showing a lot of form. Is this a flash in the pan job? But when somebody can win by 14, you wouldn't really think of that as a flash in the pan. So I would say you'd have to be excited for his prospects.

1387.955 - 1395.762 Ian Carter

And finally on Mick Doran, we've mentioned him already, but what's he doing, Mick? Because he's carried, was it 38 wins he's had with players, various players?

1395.842 - 1418.918 Eddie Pepperell

I think he's had 35 wins over a 38-year career, I think. He tells me he's retiring to his allotment and to do some caddying at Sunningdale and Wentworth. We'll see. I think somebody who's that institutionalised, it's like the guy from Shawshank Redemption, you know, Brooks was here. I mean, I'd not expect him to commit suicide. I think I wouldn't be surprised to see him back on tour.

1418.898 - 1448.382 Ian Carter

but of course when you have a retirement send off like this and you witness that kind of finish from me why would you come back if it's like Arnold Palmer had many many that's the last tournament Arnold will ever play so you know Mick Doran's a comparable figure in the game so we'll see I think Ian mentioned actually when we discussed he said they always come back they always come back someone I'll tell you what someone will say will be without a bag and will say who can I get just to fill in for this week and they'll have a good week and he'll say do you know what I'll give it a go again so

Chapter 5: How has anxiety impacted golfers like Chris Wood?

1957.654 - 1964.046 Chris Wood

And I, yeah, I was like you, I mean, three years after I won the PGA at Wentworth, I didn't have a driver in the bag in 2019.

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1964.973 - 1983.859 Chris Wood

And for me, that's quite scary, really, because three years previously, I'd won the event. Three years later, I've not even got a driver in the back. And as you know, not having a driver around Wentworth, you're giving up a lot, aren't you? So, yeah, so...

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1984.261 - 1998.574 Chris Wood

really, I suppose I didn't really understand what it was I was feeling until 2021 or two, when I spoke to our big friendly giant of a doctor, Tim Swan. And, um,

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1999.01 - 2022.958 Eddie Pepperell

anxiety when he enters the room yeah handshake those gloves on yeah and um i thought one thing that i found overcoming some of that for me and this is this emanated from a book that i once read i only i didn't get all the way through it was too heavy but it was called the master and his emissary by a guy called ian mcgillchrist who's a specialist on the brain and he talks about the two hemispheres the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere of the brain and obviously

2022.938 - 2040.366 Eddie Pepperell

If you're, you know, if you're the right side of the brain controls something very different, but it controls the left side of your body. And I, I took the opposite approach in 2022. I started playing golf with purely right side only feels, which was being controlled by the left side of the brain, which is more impulsive. Um, if you like more natural way of doing things.

2040.547 - 2047.097 Eddie Pepperell

And I found that as an interesting, cause I was always a left-sided player. Are you right? Brain, um, left body, left arm.

2047.418 - 2047.478

Um,

2047.93 - 2065.534 Eddie Pepperell

And I think if you look at the golf swing, they do control different things. So I often think of the backswing as being controlled by the left arm, right brain control. But then as soon as you get to transition through the ball, you kind of want the left side of the brain, i.e. the right side of the body, to take over. And so I quite enjoyed right-sided feels through the ball.

Chapter 6: What are the strategies for improving putting performance?

2414.353 - 2418.821 Ian Carter

So he knows his stuff, Osman. God, he's one of those people that just doesn't fail at anything.

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2419.483 - 2431.992 Eddie Pepperell

It's absurd. Whenever I watch House of Games, I find him frustratingly intelligent, I must say. Because I know nothing on that show, and he knows seemingly everything. He's a polymath. He's the new Stephen Fry.

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2431.972 - 2433.093 Ian Carter

Really, that's what he is.

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2433.113 - 2449.153 Eddie Pepperell

Yeah. Without going to Cambridge. Disappointed to see him not going in the next version of Celebrity Traitors, though, because I listened to him and Christina... Sorry, not Christina, Marina Hyde talk about that often on the rest of his entertainment. He did say he couldn't go in because he would be worried, I think, if he was a traitor or whatever.

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2449.293 - 2457.923 Eddie Pepperell

No, I think he was worried that he would be accused as being a traitor. But, Andrew, that's next up for you. Celebrity Traitors Season 3. You would be dynamite on that show.

2457.943 - 2461.067 Ian Carter

No, because there are levels of celebrity and some...

2461.047 - 2484.743 Ian Carter

inverted commas celebrities way down the alphabet they can get on house of games and they can get on celebrity mastermind but to get on celebrity traitors you've got to be proper bona fide oh no absolutely look at the people they've got on it no they've got some people i've never heard of i know but they'll be big they'll be big in the young kids world watching on the youtube you're massive in your you know world

2485.094 - 2505.552 Ian Carter

In my own head, yes. Anyway, Christopher Reitan, what a win. One by two shots from Nikolaj Hojga, Europeans dominating, well, Hojga and Ricky Fowler. Actually, Ricky Fowler, that's a resurgence of form. Eighth, ninth and second in the heritage of the Cadillac and the truest signature event. So... There we are.

2505.593 - 2525.499 Ian Carter

Actually, the big surprise there was that Cam Young finished with a 74, slipped down to 10th. He had a three-putt and a half. He had a three-putt from about three feet in one of the early holes in his 74. But there we are, Christopher Rayton. Tell me about the bearded one. I mean, we've talked about him quite a lot in terms of the family he comes from. Oh, he's caddy.

Chapter 7: How do course conditions affect player performance?

2861.545 - 2864.953 Ian Carter

One technical thing I wanted to ask you guys who know everything.

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2864.933 - 2884.769 Ian Carter

is about the left foot move that you see in quite a few players now and you certainly see it in Matt Fitzpatrick and Alex Fitzpatrick of it just snapping back off you know it actually moving back as you come through you know to an old school person it looks kind of like untidy as if they're losing their balance but it's a sort of Scheffler-esque move what does that do and what's the purpose of that?

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2885.23 - 2910.806 Chris Wood

Well it's basically it's a ground reaction force so it's long hitters they all do it so the force you put into that foot the ground gives it you back out almost and that's this is why this isn't happening for me at all But what you see is the force. So if you pressed into the ground, it would push you back out sort of thing. And it's a real big key speed move, I would say.

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2910.846 - 2914.61 Chris Wood

And what everybody sees is the reaction from it.

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2914.63 - 2921.916 Ian Carter

Yeah, but Tiger has obviously a huge ground force. A lot of players have huge ground force, but they don't do that. So is that a new teaching in the last few years?

2922.677 - 2927.781 Chris Wood

I would say speed has become more of an obsession over the last decade, for sure.

2928.962 - 2929.062

Yeah.

2929.227 - 2953.142 Chris Wood

And yeah, I mean, some players make it look tidier than others. You look at Justin Thomas, he's on his tiptoes almost on both feet at impact. So yeah, it's all about going after some speed. I mean, Matt Fitzy went down that road three or four years ago and he's benefited his game hugely. So I expect Alex is just sort of copy and paste.

2953.122 - 2972.717 Eddie Pepperell

Yeah, and I think this goes to the efficacy of doing this in the college programs and how beautifully it's working for players. Because if you can get used to doing that at a fairly young age, then you can get to your mid-20s and learn to control it. And that's when you start to see excellent performance, because it needs to be controlled. I do think, though Alex is doing it, Scotty, Matt...

Chapter 8: What are the implications of slow play penalties in golf tournaments?

3322.413 - 3324.578 Ian Carter

They can get into a little bit of trouble.

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3324.558 - 3343.617 Eddie Pepperell

Yeah. Indeed. I'll tell you how I was one of those. David Cannon, I played with at Sunningdale a couple of weeks ago. He's a GSB. He's had GSBs his whole day. In fact, he showed me a photo of his house and he said, spot the dog. And there she was perched on top of his garden shed. Right. Like a statue. He wasn't just saying her name. That's spot the dog.

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3343.637 - 3368.672 Ian Carter

No, no. uh actually that almost deserves uh cricket's terrible in the meantime since last week's pod we have um had obviously plenty of live chat um Bryson said he might just concentrate on YouTube and play the majors uh John Ram uh has yeah so he's effectively settling on some sort of route back to playing the Ryder Cup I think we had talked about that I can't remember honestly but um

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3368.77 - 3376.003 Ian Carter

Yeah, it seems to be people are reaching out now, I think, to try and find their way back to the more established golf.

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3376.905 - 3397.345 Eddie Pepperell

It's an untidy, messy time, Andy. It is indeed. I think Bryson's the anomaly. And obviously, I mean, by all means, Bryson, crack on and do your YouTube thing. I've also seen Kevin Peterson talking online a little bit of this and how Bryson is seeing the future and he knows where it's all going. And I I don't entirely disagree, but I mostly disagree.

3397.466 - 3416.906 Eddie Pepperell

And that is, I think, the relationship between sport and entertainment, I think, in recent years has become increasingly closed the gap. And I don't know that it's entirely true. Some of us still find sport entertaining. a YouTube is entertainment, a PGA Tour is sport. I think this idea that YouTube is where we're all heading, I don't think it's entirely correct.

3416.966 - 3423.615 Eddie Pepperell

So it'll be interesting to see what Bryson chooses to do. Of course, I would say it would be a very poor judgment to do such a thing, but we'll see.

3423.675 - 3439.936 Ian Carter

Did you see Christopher Rayton? I think he was thinking about just doing YouTube golf a few years ago, a couple of years ago when it wasn't going so well. So it's strange. It does seem to be an option. Charlie Howell's just setting up a YouTube channel. I mean, people are just crying out for the Eddie Pepperill YouTube channel.

3440.076 - 3461.586 Eddie Pepperell

I've gone down the Substack route, and for a reason, because YouTube is just so saturated, and I get that people love the video form, but there's a dozen top golfers now over there also. Tommy's got one, Poulter's got one. What are you going to provide? And it's a lot of work, right? So, yeah, you're going to have to come with a different angle, and I'm not convinced golf is a...

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