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Thomas Speciale: The Man Behind John Brennan's Meltdown | Episode 167

12 Nov 2025

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Chapter 1: What led to John Brennan's confrontation with Thomas Speciale?

0.537 - 22.562 Vince

everybody welcome to a special edition of vince it is great to have you with us as always coming up on the program john brennan boy the walls are closing in on the former cia director we'll get into all the latest details and we'll talk to a man who just got a chance to confront john brennan directly to his face in fact brennan was furious about this he went absolutely ballistic

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185.654 - 208.204 Vince

As you know, as this audience very well knows, we've seen massive numbers of indictments dropped on a bunch of high profile officials to include James Comey, Letitia James, John Bolton, and so many others. And John Brennan appears to be the latest who is being looked at by the Justice Department for legitimate violations of the law. He was just referred

Chapter 2: What evidence is there of John Brennan's alleged misconduct?

270.656 - 285.357 Vince

He definitely deserves it. In fact, recently, John Brennan was speaking at an event for George Mason University. He was on a panel, the Intel community thing. And while he was there, he was questioned.

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285.337 - 314.652 Vince

about um what exactly uh what exactly he did while he was in office uh take a look here's john brennan being questioned by an intelligence community veteran who really wants some answers on why john brennan abused his power look at this i would like to hear what your justification was for supporting the dossier that was known to be false being used as source material in the second ica

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315.627 - 322.477 John Brennan

I don't know who put you up to this. Nobody put me up to this, sir. I'm here on my own. I don't know what role you played or who you are, but it's a bunch of bullshit that you just passed on.

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323.258 - 330.649 Thomas Speciale

Absolutely. The emails are clear, sir. Bullshit. The emails are clear. Bullshit. The emails are clear. The second question.

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330.81 - 350.342 Unknown

Next. Next. I think we're going to go. Next. Next. Next. Next. Next. Look, we can talk about it in the reception. No, we didn't say that. You said it was likely Russian disinformation. No, we did not. Yes, you did. Read the letter. I'm ignoring it.

351.436 - 363.488 Vince

An amazing moment. The man responsible for it joins us now. Thomas Speciali is here. He is a national security consultant, and he has, since the 80s, served in the military and the intelligence community.

363.808 - 383.098 Vince

He's a subject matter expert on intel terrorism, the Middle East, and he recently served as a senior advisor on counterintelligence and security issues for Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence. You can find his website, thomasspeciali.com. Thomas, great to have you with us on the program today. Thank you, sir. Thanks. Thanks for having me.

383.118 - 400.917 Vince

Man, I've watched that moment like a dozen times now. And every time I do, I am amazed by and not that shocked, but really fascinated by the fact that John Brennan loses his mind in that moment. Why was he so furious at you for posing that question?

401.892 - 408.343 Thomas Speciale

Well, I think he believed that that was a completely friendly audience and it was just happenstance.

Chapter 3: How did the Justice Department's actions impact John Brennan?

408.784 - 430.121 Thomas Speciale

I literally just attended as an attendee. They gave us the opportunity to ask questions. I had intended to try and get him on a sidebar and ask a couple of questions regarding the regarding the use of the dossier in the ICA, and then also with regard to him being a signatory on the 51 intelligence officers memo.

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430.542 - 449.668 Thomas Speciale

I had intended for that to be a sidebar conversation, but when they asked if we were, when they said they were going to take questions, I was concerned that he wasn't going to be at the reception afterward. So I figured I would just, I would just ask it, ask him then. And yeah, it was, it was not, it was not his reaction. I don't think,

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450.695 - 475.019 Thomas Speciale

It's just indicative of the fact that he knows that the emails that have been released by the DNI email communication between Clapper, Brennan, Comey and and Admiral Rogers are very, very telling about the the inappropriate use and the. the inappropriate influence.

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475.079 - 495.108 Thomas Speciale

I think that they deliberately tried to have on the ICA, the intelligence community assessment regarding Russian involvement in the, uh, influencing the 2020 elect or the 2016 election. It was, uh, He knew that he was basically cornered with that question, and he couldn't answer that question, and he just lost his mind.

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495.809 - 510.655 Vince

I want to get in a moment to your confrontation in that sidebar. You did have another opportunity to speak to him, but I want to focus on this for a moment. What do you think those emails reveal about John Brennan specifically? What did you learn when you read them?

511.242 - 543.477 Thomas Speciale

Well, it's not really a matter of what they reveal. It's what they demonstrate. These are like a level of a receipt of a factual event that is... I don't think I've ever seen anything like this in American history where we have the personal communications between the four senior intelligence leaders for the NSA, the CIA, the FBI and the DNI, all essentially admitting to intelligence.

544.402 - 571.776 Thomas Speciale

writing intelligence at the highest level that was deliberately meant to influence or impact the future president the incoming president's presidency because that's really what you know one of the things that i try and make clear to people is is that this wasn't about trump this was actually about an influence operation or in the intelligence community we'd call it an offensive counterintelligence operation

572.363 - 599.539 Thomas Speciale

that they perpetrated against the American people. So they did this to everyone. Democrats and Republicans, they did this to everyone to essentially provide an intelligence community assessment that said, in fact, Putin favored Trump and that Putin had ordered this, this influence operation to help Trump get elected. Well, that was not demonstrated in any of the intelligence reporting.

599.979 - 609.728 Thomas Speciale

And they basically fabricated it from whole cloth. Then they put it in the intelligence community assessment, which was then given to Congress, which they knew then would leak to the public.

Chapter 4: What was the significance of the intelligence community's memo?

743.532 - 748.322 Vince

Shouldn't you be prosecuted and in jail if you try to rig an American election?

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749.078 - 767.104 Thomas Speciale

Yeah, I think that there's a lot of things that are thrown around about treason. And the problem with the treason charge is it's a really, really high bar, and it really has to be to the benefit of a foreign country. I think that you probably – the closest thing you're going to come to that is a seditious conspiracy.

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767.084 - 785.087 Thomas Speciale

And at the very least, they should be investigated and investigated under sort of the auspice of a seditious conspiracy. Whether or not they're ever charged or not, I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but I do think that You know, it has all the earmarks of a seditious conspiracy.

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785.347 - 795.381 Vince

Well, let me just, I mean, let me ask a basic question about what it's like to be an intel officer. Like, at any point in your career, do you get warnings against this type of abuse of the American people?

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795.441 - 812.785 Vince

Like, clearly, people who get security clearances and are involved in national security, like, as a predicate to getting your clearance, you are told, like, hey, if you do this, you're in violation of the law. If you abuse the power that you are being given. Right. like you're breaking laws by doing that.

813.646 - 840.885 Thomas Speciale

Yeah. It's, it's, it's for, I got to ask the question that the other day on, uh, as to like, had I ever seen anything or heard anything like this ever happened before, or aren't we trained not to do this? And the reality is, is it, it, it's, it's, it's day one training. It's day one training. It's day one oath. where you say you're going to support and defend the Constitution.

841.366 - 866.455 Thomas Speciale

You know, we don't we don't swear oaths to parties. We don't swear oaths to presidents. We swear oath to a constitution. And that means everyone, every single one of us. And it's what makes our country ultimately different, I think, than every other country in the world is that our highest The highest thing we swear an oath to is our Constitution in our country.

866.856 - 890.477 Thomas Speciale

And I believe that these people, at the very least, were at the very least were in direct and blatant and deliberate violation of their oaths to protect the Constitution because ultimately they didn't do what they were entrusted to do, which is to protect us from misinformation, disinformation. Instead, what they did was is they perpetrated an intelligence operation.

890.457 - 898.29 Thomas Speciale

on the behalf of Hillary Clinton. I mean, that's really what this was. This was an intelligence operation on behalf of Hillary Clinton, and it started with the Steele dossier.

Chapter 5: How did Thomas Speciale's background influence his perspective?

952.059 - 973.011 Thomas Speciale

And every single one of them says they never thought Hillary Clinton was going to lose. Well, that's the reason they did crossfire hurricane, because they never thought anybody would ever find out about it. And then when Donald Trump did win, And he had Michael Flynn in there who already had a bone to pick with the CIA. He would have discovered Crossfire Hurricane probably very quickly.

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973.511 - 980.041 Thomas Speciale

And once he had discovered Crossfire Hurricane, their whole house of cards would have fallen and we would have had prosecutions probably in 2017.

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981.223 - 982.865 Vince

Which is why they took Michael Flynn out first.

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983.046 - 987.913 Thomas Speciale

Correct. Had to get him out of there as quick as possible before he found everything else out.

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987.978 - 1006.459 Vince

So, I mean, it really is like the more you stare at it, the more you realize that as we talk about possible grand conspiracy charges, that's what we're looking at. I mean, James Comey and John Brennan are now, by virtue of the emails, identified as the people who were ramming the Steele dossier into the intelligence community assessment.

1006.439 - 1024.853 Vince

And then James Comey is the one who calls in the hit on General Flynn. He's the one who sends FBI agents over to the White House under false pretenses, pretending that they're there for a collegial meeting of some kind. And instead, they turned him into a mark and they were saying, we're going after this guy. And then he would later brag about this.

1024.833 - 1048.145 Thomas Speciale

I'll give you another one that people haven't even really caught on to yet, because if you're not in the intelligence community, you probably wouldn't recognize this. And only somebody that's worked counterintelligence would realize this. When Comey gives the private counterintelligence defensive briefing to Trump. He mentions the dossier to Trump, and Trump outright says, it's a lie.

1048.726 - 1075.509 Thomas Speciale

It's a lie. Now, Comey knew at that time that it was a lie. He knew that there was no Russian collusion. So when he essentially intimated to the incoming president that the Russians had compromise on him, I believe he was trying to hoover him. I think he was trying to intimidate him to try and say, hey, we're the FBI. We have secret stuff about you, and you better toe the line.

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And Trump doesn't toe the line for anyone. So they tried to do it in the office, Comey directly to Trump.

Chapter 6: What revelations did the emails about John Brennan contain?

1187.023 - 1208.521 Vince

And that includes a bunch of real information about an actual presidential candidate who is actually compromised by foreign governments, who's actually taking immense amount of money from them. And John Brennan once again pops up in an effort to rig that election. And I want people to see now, this is you confronting John Brennan.

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1208.661 - 1222.425 Vince

This was at the kind of the after party, the soiree after this panel event that you attended. And you're standing in front of John Brennan and Brennan plants his finger in your chest, furious that you've noticed these details as well. Take a look.

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1222.827 - 1237.258 John Brennan

We misrepresented that. We never said it was disinformation. We said it was Russian influence operations, which is what they do. There's a big difference between influence operations. No, you don't know that. You only knew.

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1238.352 - 1250.932 Vince

Okay. And for those of you listening, just to give you an image here, they're just standing in a little room with some drinks. Thomas has a drink in his hand. Looks like a Stella. And Brennan goes up to his chest.

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1251.332 - 1251.973 Thomas Speciale

It's all they had.

1252.414 - 1262.79 Vince

I know. I've been to these parties. I guess I'll take the Stella. And Brennan walks up right to your chest and then plants his finger right into your chest and starts yelling at you about...

1262.77 - 1288.322 Vince

the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, I can gather from the context clues that you're talking about the 51 intelligence official letter that John Brennan was a signatory on, where they were very heavily implying that this was a Russian disinformation operation, that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was not real, that the Russians had invented all of this, and they got that story planted in Politico,

1288.302 - 1293.768 Vince

Uh, and they were off to the races. Tell me about that exchange. And again, that underlying story and what you think of it.

1294.87 - 1320.537 Thomas Speciale

Well, I think that it's important to understand that the origin of the memo is again with the Democrat party, the morale email, he morale sends the memo to Brennan, uh, to get it signed up to, to ask for his signature. And I'm, I'm sure all of these people that signed it and probably many more, uh, got, got that invitation to sign that email. Probably from the Democrat Party.

Chapter 7: How did the Hunter Biden laptop story affect the 2020 election?

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You leave it up to the American voter, but you don't suppress it

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1454.943 - 1474.167 Thomas Speciale

in order to help a candidate which if you read the memo that's exactly what it says it says we need essentially to give biden a talking point um and we think that the russians are going to use this against the american people well if yeah why can't the american people just use it against biden if they know what's in it you know what i mean okay

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1474.147 - 1499.277 Vince

okay let me i want to spend some more time on this and talk to you about the grand conspiracy here because each of the pieces you're describing they all feel like they're part of the same exact cover-up i'll get to that in just a moment i want to thank the great sponsors who make this program possible cooking thanksgiving is coming thanksgiving is oh my goodness it's coming and it's very high stakes it feels like one dried out turkey can absolutely ruin it all that is true

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Chapter 8: What accountability measures does Thomas Speciale suggest for intelligence officers?

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1656.953 - 1677.308 Vince

All right, Thomas Speciali continues with us and the great Intel community veteran, the guy who just got in John Brennan's face, did what so many of us wish we could do. But Thomas, one of the many advantages that you had in this conversation is you actually knew the facts and you confront John Brennan about that 51 intelligence community official letter.

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1677.288 - 1695.77 Vince

And in so doing, what you're really doing is you're pointing to one of the many attempts to cover up the left's election rigging along the way. I know you said you're not a lawyer, but man, I'm telling you what, this does feel like another overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy.

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1697.111 - 1725.84 Thomas Speciale

Yeah, it is. Absolutely. There can be no question that the intent of the memo was to influence voters to in a way that was essentially amplifying. It was a complete fabrication because they knew when they signed it that the Hunter Biden laptop was legitimate. So in order to delegitimize it, they had to put Russia on it.

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1726.561 - 1752.182 Thomas Speciale

One of the things, and nobody's ever asked this question, and I think it's a very interesting question. Hunter Biden apparently took in multiple hard drives, laptops into this computer store. And they all apparently had water damage. How in the hell do five laptops, or however many laptops it was, all get water damage at the same time?

1752.854 - 1769.591 Thomas Speciale

I think somebody probably threw them in a tub or somebody threw them in a pool. That's probably what I think had happened to those laptops before they were ever in the hands of the tech to recover the data. Nobody's ever talked about how they got damaged.

1769.971 - 1789.005 Thomas Speciale

And it seems to me that somebody did that deliberately and we still don't know how they got damaged in the first place, how they ended up then in the hands of the tech. And then ultimately we know Hunter Biden didn't go back and pick them up And the guy had recovered the data and then saw that there was criminal activity on it and turned it over to law enforcement.

1789.405 - 1798.588 Thomas Speciale

You know, this is just a it's a it's a nightmare for Biden. And they had to come up with a story to to to cover it up.

1798.771 - 1818.899 Vince

Yes, for sure. For sure. And by the way, there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the the chain of custody with that laptop and the attempts to get a hold of it. There were there were reports of the Secret Service attempting to be involved in retrieving the laptop, which made no sense given that Hunter Biden didn't have Secret Service protection.

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