Hour 2: Enough With These Good Murderers (feat. Ronan Farrow)
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What is the history of tequila's invention?
Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila. Cuervo. What are you doing here?
Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
Cuervo. Cuervo.
This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast.
Why does Ronan Farrow reject 'good murderers'?
Always made happier when I see this radiant face. This guy zigs when others are zagging. You don't care about journalism. You hate journalism. He's great at journalism. Better than just about anybody. And if you're a murder podcast person, he's not interested in the good murderers. He's interested in very bad murderers. Wow. Enough with these good murderers, man. I'm sick and tired. Enough with these good murder podcast content things.
I'm tired of them.
I wanted to go another way. Ronan Farrow with us. He's a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, obviously, contributing writer at The New Yorker. He's got a new Audible original podcast, Not a Very Good Murderer. And he explores the fact checking process with a volatile source. By accident, we didn't actually do this on purpose.
How does Ronan Farrow vet volatile sources in journalism?
We were talking about journalism and the fact checking process. And I'm wondering, Ronan, when you don't have... credible source or you have a volatile source what goes into the reporting of this particular sort story I'm always interested in the subjects that you choose and thank you as always for joining us
Yeah, it's always a pleasure. It's always such a good conversation with you guys. I try to capture over the course of the four and a half hours of this series the answer to that question. I feel like this series doesn't neatly fall into one category. It's not one thing. And one of the layers of it is at a time when the press is under attack. There's dwindling trust in the press. I wanted to show the mechanics of how a journalist goes about vetting, in this case, a really politically explosive allegation. And I headed off into this wealthy, gated community in the desert, Paradise Valley, Arizona, to try to assess the question you raised. Was the source at the center of this credible? And then you have these other layers that flow from this.
You have, you mentioned volatility, a relationship that is the backbone of this series that is really wild. I mean, this is about a former pageant queen. Her name is CeCe Doan. And as I'm vetting her, I start to realize that she's been connected to this improbable series of unsolved crimes. you know, an arson allegation. There's a period of time where the FBI investigated her for allegedly sending death threats to her own family. There's a police investigation into whether she tried to hire a hitman to kill one of her husbands, and then another investigation into whether she tried to kill another husband with Viagra. Overdosing him deliberately was the claim. As I looked into that, to your point about volatility, the relationship with her became really complex because she wouldn't stop calling and she kept coming back for more interviews. So there was clearly an attraction there, but also she was furious And at one point, you know, she threatens to punch me actually now as of our latest conversations, multiple points.
So you get to really see this this kind of rise and fall of a very intense, complicated relationship. And then finally, you know, I thought that this series was consequential because she represents someone who's at a lot of our dinner tables and a lot of our like Thanksgiving meals and a lot of our communities. She is very, very steeped in the kind of Fox News Breitbart spectrum of at times. I'll just say it as a as a reporter where I'm very committed to the facts. It's disinformation at times. You know, I'm not saying everything on those platforms falls into that category, but some of the things that she embraces, like the idea that Donald Trump won the 2020 election You know, the idea that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
There are certain things that come up in our conversations where it's clear that she represents a really significant part of this country's population in terms of disinformation culture. And that's something I'm very interested in. So the show kind of becomes a blueprint for not only can I solve these crimes, And can I use this person as a source credibility wise?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the history of tequila's invention?
0:01–0:43
2
Why does Ronan Farrow reject 'good murderers'?
0:43–1:31
3
How does Ronan Farrow vet volatile sources in journalism?
1:31–5:02
4
What challenges does Ronan Farrow face with disinformation?
5:02–16:10
5
What is the story behind the police and Sean Williams?
16:10–19:37
6
Why are fake books a topic of discussion in journalism?
19:37–23:24
7
What are the most iconic sounds according to the show?
23:24
8
How does Peloton contribute to fitness journeys?
21:53–46:49
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