Hour 2: The D.C. Plane Crash Tragedy (feat. Jeff Wise)
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I have been telling you recently among my many fears that it seems like some basic American systems are just failing. Things are failing and getting worse. And overnight, many of you woke up this morning to a crash that it seems confirmed now. that there aren't going to be any survivors. It's very close to confirm that 64 people on board an American Airlines flight and three service members in the Army chopper that crashed into it, there will be no survivors. Jeff Wise is a longtime aviation journalist. He's the host of the podcast Finding MH370. And we have had recently four, 400 senior FAA officials plus the head of the TSA and 3,000 air traffic controllers were fired as recently as a week ago. Jeff, without making this about politics, can you just tell me how rare this is and what kind of leadership breaches might cause it?
Well, that's a great question. It's rare and it's not rare in the sense that there hasn't been a collision, a mid-air collision between a U.S. commercial airliner and another aircraft in flight. The most recent one I could find was in the 80s. And so in that sense, it's really rare. But there have been all of these near misses reported in recent years, and there's been a lot of concern You know, if you go into the pilot forums, a lot of foreign pilots think that we're crazy, that we're just cowboys and we're just very reckless with aircraft separation. So it's been a long standing issue and people have been calling out for changes for a number of years now. And so in that sense, it's not unexpected in a sense.
So can you tell me, though, when things like this happen and people get helpless and they get angry, they want to assign blame and they want to blame people in charge and hold them accountable. What happened here?
Well, safety is really boring. You know, it's all about being meticulous, crossing your T's and dotting your I's and doing and going through checklists and like meticulously recording where every part of every aircraft comes from. And what you get at the end of all that hard work is nothing. Nothing happens. And so people will just take for granted that I'm gonna get on the plane, I'm gonna get to where I'm going. And it's so easy when you take things for granted to say, well, maybe I'll save a little bit of money. Maybe I'll cut a corner here. Maybe I'll push the boundaries a little bit there. And you can whittle away and whittle away at a system until it breaks. So you go from complacency to sheer terror very quickly, as we've seen here. So who to blame? Who should we get angry at? Well, you know, I'll just make one observation. It's really easy to say that the US government doesn't do anything for me. I give you all my tax money and I don't get anything.
and you just take for granted that there's roads under the wheels of your car and you take for granted that you're safe one of the things that the us government is to provide air traffic control and the main original purpose for air traffic control was to prevent aircraft from running into each other the whole system was was spawned by this actually mid-air collision that took place in 1956 over the grand canyon and people started to think maybe we should find a way to have planes not run into each other
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