Ex-Google Exec (Mo Gawdat) on AI: The Next 15 Years Will Be Hell Before We Get To Heaven… And Only These 5 Jobs Will Remain!
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Why does Mo Gawdat argue that AI should replace top leaders?
The only way for us to get to a better place and succeed as a species is for the evil people at the top to be replaced with AI. I mean, think about it, AI will not want to destroy ecosystems. It will not want to kill a million people. They'll not make us hate each other like the current leaders because that's a waste of energy, explosives, money and people. But the problem is super intelligent AI is reporting to stupid leaders. And that's why in the next fifteen years we are going to hit a short term dystopia. There's no escaping that.
Having AI leaders is not even fundamentally possible. Let's put it this way. Mo Gauda is back! And the former chief business officer at Google X is now one of the most urgent voices in AI with a very clear message. AI isn't your enemy, but it could be your savior.
I love you so much, man. You're such a good friend.
But you don't have many years to live, not in this world. Everything's gonna change. Economics are gonna change. Human connection is gonna change. And lots of jobs will be lost, including podcasters.
No, no. Thank you for coming on today, Mo.
But the truth is, it could be the best world ever. The society completely full of laughter and joy. Free healthcare. No jobs. Spending more time with their loved ones. A world where all of us are equal.
Is that possible?
Hundred percent. And I have enough evidence to know that we can use AI to build the utopia. But it's a dystopia if humanity manages it badly. A world where there's going to be a lot of control, a lot of surveillance, a lot of forced compliance, and a hunger for power, greed, ego. And it is happening already.
How does the podcast define a dystopian future caused by AI?
But the truth is the only barrier between utopia for humanity and AI and the dystopia we're going through is a mindset.
What does society have to do? First of all Just give me thirty seconds of your time. Two things I wanted to say. The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into the show week after week. It means the world to all of us. And this really is a dream that we absolutely never had and couldn't have imagined getting to this place. But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. And if you enjoy what we do here, please join the 24% of people that listen to this podcast regularly and follow us on this app. Here's a promise I'm gonna make to you. I'm gonna do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can now and into the future. We're gonna deliver the guests that you want me to speak to, and we're gonna continue to keep doing all of the things you love about this show.
Thank you. Mo, two years ago today we sat here and discussed AI. We discussed your book Scary Smart and everything that was happening in the world. Since then, AI has continued to develop at a tremendous alarming mind-boggling rate. And the technologies that existed two years ago when we had that conversation have grown up and matured are and are taking on a life of their own, no pun intended. What are you what are you thinking about AI now, two years on? I know that you've started writing a new book called Alive, which is I guess a bit of a follow-on or an evolution of your thoughts as it relates to scary stuff. Smart.
Mm-hmm.
But w what what is front of your mind? When it comes to AI. It's uh Scary Smart was shockingly
accurate.
It's quite uh I mean, I don't even know how I ended up writing predicting th those things. I I remember it was written in twenty twenty, published in twenty twenty one. And then Most people were like, um, who wants to talk about AI? You know, I know everybody in the media, and I would go and do you wanna talk? And then 2023, ChatGPT comes out, and everything flips. Everyone realizes, you know, this is real, this is not science fiction, this is here. And uh and things move very, very fast, much faster than I think we've ever seen anything ever move, ever. And and I think my My position has changed on two very important fronts. One is, remember when we spoke about Scary Smart, I was still saying that there are things we can do to change the course.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why does Mo Gawdat argue that AI should replace top leaders?
0:00–1:33
2
How does the podcast define a dystopian future caused by AI?
1:33–4:36
3
What signs indicate a coming 12‑15‑year AI dystopia and massive job loss?
4:36–13:25
4
How will AI evolve from augmenting human work to fully autonomous machines?
13:25–1:19:40
5
Why is accountability a problem in today’s AI‑driven world?
1:19:40–1:37:01
6
How can society transition to an AI‑led utopia and what does prosperity mean in that future?
1:37:01–1:55:53
7
What does quantum superposition and virtual‑reality simulation reveal about our perception of reality?
1:55:53–2:15:37
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How should we regulate AI use and advocate for ethical AI governance?
2:15:37–2:34:14
Speakers
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