LEMON DROP | John Bolton on Signal-Gate, Trump, and the Constitutional Crisis
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Who is John Bolton and why is he on Lemon Drop today?
Hi, everyone. Welcome. I have a very special guest. Ambassador John Bolton is an attorney. He's a diplomat, a political commentator. He served as President George Bush's ambassador to the United Nations. And perhaps most notably, he was Donald Trump's national security advisor during his first term ambassador. Thank you for joining. Glad to be with you. Let's talk to you about something that has been fascinating and confounding to a lot of folks as well. What's happening with the Trump administration and the mass deportations and also believed no due process by some. Have you had a chance to read Judge Harvey Wilkinson's rebuke of the Trump administration and what they're doing? He is he issued a striking opinion slamming their disregard for due process rights for Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
So what do you make of this whole matter?
Well, I did read the opinion. I thought it was very well done. And I'd always regarded Judge Wilkinson as one of Reagan's best court of appeals appointees. He was three years ahead of me in college. I didn't know him well, but we go back a ways. And I just think he's done a superb job. And I think this opinion really sums it up. It's almost a plea to the Trump administration not to force a constitutional crisis, which they seem to be determined to do. I think because they believe the immigration issue is a winning issue politically for them, but they're putting the authority of the courts in jeopardy. And when that happens, the ramifications will go well beyond the immigration space.
So do you believe, so right now you don't believe we're in a constitutional crisis? You think we're headed towards one? I'm not sure.
I think we're kind of in one, but look, this is about- Well, look, I think the Trump administration's playing fast and loose on a variety of fronts, not just immigration. I think some of the executive orders are just intended to cause trouble. I think on some, they do have a good, solid legal ground. But I think they want to see how far they can push. And I think it's irresponsible. I don't think the president is getting the right kind of legal advice. And really, that, I think, is what Judge Wilkinson was trying to say in this opinion. Think about this before you go any further. Because once we get into it, I don't think anybody should doubt the courts are prepared to stand their ground on this.
Do you think every case is possibly a test case just to sort of test the boundaries?
I think as in many areas, people are looking to get the best case they can before the Supreme Court first, the one with the best facts. You know, the Trump people talk about the Salvadoran case because the individual in question, Garcia, is alleged to be a member of a terrible gang that nobody can say anything good about. We don't know what the real facts are, at least I don't.
What did Judge Wilkinson say about the Trump administration's deportation actions?
But what we do know is residents of the country are entitled to a certain amount of due process. And when the Supreme Court has said facilitate Garcia's return, they mean what they say. And, you know, it was interesting, Wilkinson's opinion offered free of charge, a grammar lesson to the attorney general on what the word facilitate means. I mean, I don't know how you can spell it out any more clearly.
Yeah. Is it concerning to you that these allegations, they're alleging that he's a member of MS-13, but no one has seen any evidence of almost anything that they deported this man on?
Yeah. Look, he had, as I understand the facts, he had a suspension of deportation order that an immigration judge had entered some years before. Now, that that order can be can be changed on the basis of new evidence. They didn't provide any new evidence. And I think Wilkinson put it very well in his opinion where they just snatched him without without any without any due process at all. We don't give due process to people because they're nice. We give it because they're entitled as residents to due process. And where it gets hard, as in cases of free speech, is when the people who are claiming due process are not the kind of people you want for your next door neighbor.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
Who is John Bolton and why is he on Lemon Drop today?
0:13–3:00
2
What did Judge Wilkinson say about the Trump administration's deportation actions?
3:00–7:37
3
Are we in or headed toward a constitutional crisis over immigration policy?
7:37–12:52
4
Did the Garcia deportation violate due process and why does that matter?
12:52–21:20
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