Lemon LIVE at 5 | Why She Turned Down Trump's Pardon
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Good evening, everyone. Welcome to Lemon Live at Five, the weekend edition. This is going to be a show that I know everyone is going to have a lot of comments about and you're going to want to engage in the chat. So welcome to Lemon Live at Five. The woman you see on your screen right there is Pam or Pamela Hemphill. She is known as or was known as the MAGA granny. Now she is the ex-MAGA granny. Pamela, welcome to the show. Good to have you.
Thank you for inviting me. What an honor.
Oh, thank you. It's an honor to have you. Okay, so listen, you were the MAGA granny. You know, Donald Trump pardoned all of the January 6th folks who took part in the storm of the Capitol or the raid of the Capitol, and you refused his pardon. You won't accept it. Tell our audience why.
Well, you would think everybody would know, but of course, it would be a slap in the face to the Capitol police officers. to the rule of law, to our country. Look, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty. Why would I want a pardon if I said I was guilty? They're trying to rewrite history. And I would be a part of their history, which is all lies, saying, yeah, I'll take this pardon because the DOJ was weaponized against everybody, right? Which we know is not true. DOJ is not weaponized against Pam Hill. I pleaded guilty because I was guilty. Period. It's that simple.
Who's trying to rewrite history, Pam?
The J6 defendants, Trump, first Trump, the J6 defendants, all their family members, all their enablers, all of them, even now, even the Republican Party, trying to gaslight us, put it behind us, let's stop talking about it. And I've been screaming out for a year and a half, trying to bring... evidence that every lie they put out there, every single one has been debunked. And I've got a lot of that information from the sedition hunters, serious researchers, and some Democrat people that I've become friends with. And once I realized, personally, when I discovered a lie, oh my God, this has to stop. This narrative has to stop.
How did you get caught up into this? Well, you were a Republican, right? Or you still are a Republican?
No, I voted for Harris. I'm now a Democrat.
You're now, but you were a Republican. How did you become a member of the MAGA movement, Pam?
Well, it's kind of a long story. I retired in 2011 as an alcohol and drug counselor. I never was involved in any politics. Then I became a volunteer as a TV show hosts on a community program as a volunteer trying to help heroin addicts in our community someone had heard about me doing that called me out it was the mega girls and asked if I would come and interview people around them and interview what they're doing so I said yes I would love that I was bored you know when you're retired something to do and I started going to all the events and then I heard about Ammon Bundy. I don't know if you know about that one. I started following him because he carries a Bible and they're all telling you that the Democrats want to turn this into a communist country.
Why did Pamela Hemphill refuse Donald Trump’s pardon?
And here I am, you know, not involved in politics, not, you know, not doing my own research. Listening to all their gaslighting, because if you do ask them anything, they'll stop you right there. Don't listen to the Democrats. They've been trying to steal the elections forever. And, you know, you're not you're not doing your own research. And I always regret that.
Eamon Bundy was a is a militant. He's like a member of a militia. And he had been there was the national at the National Refuge in Oregon. There was a standoff with Eamon Bundy. And so you got involved with him and then you started listening to was it kind of like QAnon? Did you start just listening to conspiracy theories?
No, the QAnon I always thought was kind of.
What's wrong? You started to buy into the rhetoric, though, right?
Oh, yeah. Because they carry a Bible and they interpret the Constitution the way they want to interpret it. It's not the Constitution. But you don't know that. You're not schooled. You're not educated in that area. And you're just listening to people with two PhDs.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:17–3:43
2
Why did Pamela Hemphill refuse Donald Trump’s pardon?
3:43–9:51
3
How did Pam describe her journey into the MAGA movement and QAnon-style rhetoric?
9:51–23:01
4
When did Pam realize MAGA felt like a cult and what signs did she see?
23:01–30:37
5
What racist or exclusionary behavior did Pam witness inside MAGA spaces?
30:37–48:53
6
How did non-MAGA audiences respond when Pam started speaking out?
48:53–1:02:31