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The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 905 | "Hertz Platinum"

21 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

0.031 - 27.809 Savon

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast as well as its hosts are for entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

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28.81 - 33.691 Mark Lamont Hill

What the fuck? What? Hey, dawg.

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33.911 - 36.595 Parks

I had a nice little Audi truck. It was old.

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36.655 - 38.838 Mark Lamont Hill

It's trying to ask you a question, though.

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39.198 - 43.704 Savon

I'll pay for the Uber. So you don't have to take the bus here.

43.885 - 44.586 Unknown

I'll put it on that.

44.606 - 45.647 Savon

She took the bus here.

46.008 - 50.033 Unknown

Stop with the bus shit. Y'all blow me. How'd you get here?

50.173 - 51.034 Savon

What's the truth?

Chapter 2: How did the conversation shift to discussing Hertz Platinum status?

154.15 - 175.441 Savon

Uh-oh. It was on your ass? Not me. I didn't say nothing about it. It was on y'all asses for that. I don't want my daughter to grow up and be a nail tech. Who said that? Do y'all want to apologize to the nail techs out there, yes or no? Who said that? Shout out to the nail techs listening out there. You know what I mean? We love you. I do. Shit.

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175.641 - 177.747 Unknown

You don't know how many nail techs do nails to this pod?

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177.967 - 182.137 Savon

Yeah. Happy to, right? Who is these three?

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182.177 - 182.859 Mark Lamont Hill

Yo, don't do that.

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182.959 - 201.44 Savon

Yo, you horrible at that. Go ahead, though. These three? Mark, you... Look, let me point and help you. You... And him. Morning, this is what happened. I said, he asked me if I would be disappointed. I asked the three of them. Yeah, if I'd be disappointed if my daughter wanted to be a nail tech. And I said yes. They all said yes. Yes. We didn't. Go ahead, though.

201.46 - 204.666 Savon

But part of it was because I said I didn't pay all this money for college tuition.

204.767 - 205.829 Ish

Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

205.949 - 218.617 Savon

Yeah, I'd be disappointed. That part, man. And you know what? The nail techs that's listening right now, you're disappointed. Damn. Oh, shit. No, I'm serious.

218.638 - 238.221 Mark Lamont Hill

Double it down. Oh, shit. Yo, what the fuck is wrong with you? That's not what I said. What I said was, if you spent a half a million dollars on education and then your daughter or son wanted to take a route that didn't justify your money that you spent, you'll be disappointed. You got to pay that money back. It's a half a million dollars that you borrow.

Chapter 3: What insights are shared about the impact of music and artists?

277.715 - 284.364 Mona

Indeed. Trying to figure out how. Whatever.

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284.384 - 295.525 Savon

Anyway. Moe, you want Amtrak home? Okay. No, I got points. Asella. Asella, yo. Asella. Asella. Asella.

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295.545 - 296.606 Ish

Asella. Asella.

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296.787 - 307.7 Savon

Asella. Asella. Asella. Asella. Asella. Asella. Asella.

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307.72 - 312.525 Unknown

Asella. Asella. Asella. Asella.

312.605 - 313.146 Savon

Asella.

313.747 - 314.888 Parks

Asella.

314.868 - 318.794 Savon

Yeah, it's like 15 minutes.

318.814 - 320.155 Parks

It is not 15 minutes.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of using artists' lyrics in court?

3409.928 - 3425.387 Savon

I understand why people, when people are dying and rappers are rapping about dumb shit or rapping that they did some shit. I'm not saying he did this. I'm not talking about this case. I'm saying in general, when rappers say shit that implicates themselves and others, I get why courts want to use it. I get why the victim's families want to use it.

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3425.948 - 3441.327 Savon

But we got to hold a standard here because I think the risk outweighs the reward. Yeah, agreed. I mean, it's been like that since the Star Spangled Banner, though. Like... I mean... The lyrics.

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3441.347 - 3442.448 Mona

Keeping it too real, the lyrics.

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3442.948 - 3455.202 Savon

Yeah, like, when you go and you get a good win... Gotta run back and let them know. They normally, since the beginning of time, they put it in a song. These songs ain't just songs. They... It's testimony.

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Chapter 5: How do jurors' perceptions affect legal outcomes in music cases?

3455.222 - 3463.932 Savon

I never even thought of tying it together. The Star Spangled Banner, but you're not wrong. The bombs bursting in there. What did they do? They went right to the booth, fucked some shit up, and...

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3463.912 - 3466.358 Mark Lamont Hill

And the third verse. Third verse.

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3466.378 - 3472.713 Savon

Third verse. Third verse is the one. That's the silent track. The third verse. That's the one.

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3472.733 - 3478.727 Unknown

But where does it stop? And that's the danger with it. Where does it stop if they can use... You know what I mean?

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3478.747 - 3480.21 Mark Lamont Hill

Yeah. No, it's the slippery slope.

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I...

3482.339 - 3502.272 Mark Lamont Hill

I'm on the fence, but I think that you should have enough. And we got to define slippery slope soon. If they allowing you to use lyrics, right? Where do they have a cutoff? Like any lyric to any rapper that comes in here and said, Jadakiss said, yo, they had to use the scales that they weighed the wells with for my coke.

3503.129 - 3515.226 Mark Lamont Hill

Like, come on, if you want to – like, if you're going to set precedent in court, then case law is going to be case law. And now we could go take, yo, Indiana versus blah, blah, blah in 1922 said that we could do this.

3515.587 - 3516.908 Savon

And that shit is scary.

Chapter 6: What controversies arise from the America's Next Top Model documentary?

3527.744 - 3531.209 Mark Lamont Hill

Did they see? Did they find these scales? Did they find this coke?

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3531.69 - 3532.511 Joe Budden

Where's the whale?

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3532.711 - 3548.569 Mark Lamont Hill

Where's the whale? You know what I'm saying? With these lyrics, y'all are describing shit that you went and did down to the letter. And that's right. So now because you did this, oh, you talking about the murder right here that happened on this corner at this time on this day. You just detailed it.

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3548.589 - 3557.741 Savon

That's what I mean about slippery slope. You know what a slippery slope is? Blood on the floor. That's slippery. Look what we talking about.

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3557.761 - 3571.419 Mark Lamont Hill

No, I'm just saying. No, that's why I said I'm on the fence because I can understand. Yo, if in your rap you are detailing, yo, I caught him at the corner store. It was blah, blah, blah on. Bro, I just think you got to have more sense and discernment than to put that in your fucking rap.

3571.499 - 3591.727 Savon

But my problem is if you do, like there are rappers who are hyper-specific. about their raps or they give details that sound real even in fiction. And so I don't want to put that on those rappers. Again, I understate, don't do that. If you're a rapper out there and you're committing crimes, don't rap about them before, during, or after the crime. That's pretty good advice. This is solid advice.

3591.767 - 3606.846 Savon

You know what I'm saying? But I don't want to... Because the problem with... For me, the problem with letting it in and saying you still got to prove it is I don't want illegal evidence being used against me in court because I don't trust jurors. And I don't want the juror to have to decide, especially a juror that doesn't understand rap. You know what I'm saying?

3607.487 - 3624.226 Savon

Whether this is an obvious crime or not. Because obvious to me is different than obvious to somebody else. Somebody might really... Big is a good example. My homie gutted kidnapped kids. Like... He don't. Right. You know what I mean? And what he said he did to them kids, to a juror, that could sound hyper-specific.

3624.346 - 3625.648 Unknown

No, that's a great point.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of Jim Jones' viral video?

6738.36 - 6742.204 Unknown

That's the whole thing. You know what I mean? You never know. You're just fucking around the internet.

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6742.345 - 6743.906 Mark Lamont Hill

Showing how the meat fall off the bone.

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6743.926 - 6746.249 Unknown

Yeah, two days later, that shit everywhere.

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6746.589 - 6747.93 Parks

It really happens like that.

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6749.312 - 6750.413 Savon

Yeah.

6750.573 - 6751.554 Parks

Going viral is cool.

6752.115 - 6761.564 Savon

Speaking of going viral, have you all seen the video circulating around the internet regarding our brother Jim Jones? I did.

Chapter 8: How does the discussion about evictions unfold?

6761.744 - 6762.285 Parks

I haven't.

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6762.653 - 6782.772 Savon

You haven't? Nope. Okay, I'll show it to you right now. We'll pause and let you watch it and reflect. Try again. Nah, I felt bad. I don't know what's true and what's not true, but the video shows Jim Jones allegedly trying to kick open a door of a place from which he has been allegedly evicted.

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6783.73 - 6804.216 Savon

According to reports, this video came from 50 Cent, who later put out paperwork that allegedly shows that he was evicted. And I read it. And I made the screen big. I did, too. I did, too. I ain't going to lie to y'all. I did. AI. Like I said, I don't know if it's true or not. Give me legs too little.

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6804.596 - 6825.041 Mark Lamont Hill

No, from what I heard, some people close to the story told me that it's fake. The paperwork is fake. Said that the landlord is a bum and said that he don't be doing shit and he tried to evict Jim and supposedly the document. For non-payment, is that right? Supposedly the document that he created is a fake document that he just literally created on his own, allegedly.

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6826.262 - 6828.665 Mark Lamont Hill

So I don't know where it's going to fall, but that's what I heard.

6829.686 - 6831.068 Savon

And how about the kicking in the door part?

6831.875 - 6841.904 Mark Lamont Hill

They said that the police came later on and made the landlord unlock the doors and leave the premises because Jim is renting the premises out legally and that's what I heard.

6841.924 - 6845.367 Savon

Even if you were to be behind on your lease, you can't lock people out.

6845.867 - 6867.582 Mark Lamont Hill

So that's what I heard. Especially in New York. And after that came out a couple hours later, Jim did post in the studio. Inside. Yeah, they said the police came and made the landlord unlock the doors and leave the premises. So I don't know how true whichever side was, but I just want to be fair to Jim and, You know what I mean? Not make the nigga look like a bum to seven million people.

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