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1119: Home Schooling | Skeptical Sunday

23 Feb 2025

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Chapter 1: What is homeschooling and how has it evolved over time?

109.647 - 121.035 Jordan Harbinger

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Just visit jordanharbinger.com slash start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Heute auf dem Show, Homeschooling. Vorher das Domain von schrecklichen Kulten oder super religiösen Leuten.

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165.023 - 180.309 Jordan Harbinger

Homeschooling ist über die letzten paar Jahrzehnte viel mehr mainstream geworden, besonders als öffentliche Schulung, nämlich hier in den Vereinigten Staaten, eine ziemlich schlechte Rappung bekommen hat. Ich weiß, dass viele Leute an diesem Thema starke Opinionen haben, also bin ich hier mit professionell starker Opinion-Haver Nick Pell, um uns auf Homeschooling zu schulen.

180.649 - 196.142 Jordan Harbinger

So tell me about homeschooling, man, because when we were kids, it was really only the weird family at the end of the block who did this. And then you found out when they ended up on the news or whatever, that they had 19 kids that you never saw and they went to church in somebody's basement or whatever. So how did this all start?

196.937 - 207.74 Nick Pell

Was wir jetzt als Homeschooling nennen, ist im Grunde nur, wie viele Menschen ihre Kinder historisch gebildet haben, vor der Erklärung von compulsory education laws, die in den USA im 19.

207.78 - 222.064 Jordan Harbinger

Jahrhundert stattgefunden wurden. Also damals waren viele Menschen nicht überhaupt gebildet. Das ist, wenn du über einen alten, berühmten Figuren liest, und es ist so, dass sie um neun Jahre alt aus der Schule gelaufen sind, um Holz im Hintergrund zu schneiden. Und du denkst dir, oh Gott. Und dann ist es wie Abraham Lincoln.

222.484 - 244.542 Nick Pell

Yeah, that's good to bring up because I think it's worth talking about what we mean by educated and how much formal education people really need or needed. My maternal grandfather was a farmer. He was an 8th grade dropout and he had a gigantic library of everything from Plato to Mark Twain. And I would say he's a lot more educated than even

Chapter 2: Why did homeschooling become more popular during the COVID-19 pandemic?

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2215.009 - 2232.997 Jordan Harbinger

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2233.157 - 2242.005 Jordan Harbinger

What about parents that are homeschooling their kids, but they're just making like no effort to actually educate them other than because they can't or they just don't actually care?

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2242.065 - 2263.186 Nick Pell

I don't think there's much of this going on, but there's maybe other forms of abuse and neglect. In any event, it doesn't strike me as a compelling reason to have An invasive bureaucracy for policing homeschooling. I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote about censorship is the philosophy that a grown man shouldn't be able to eat steak because a baby can't chew it.

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2263.266 - 2286.298 Nick Pell

Are we just going to make all of our laws about the absolute worst people that exist? The rest of us responsible people have to like suck it up. I think no. We actually have statistics about the overlap of abuse, neglect and homeschooling. And there's a really disturbing study with a really disturbing title called Child Torture as a Form of Child Abuse that addresses this.

2286.378 - 2288.339 Jordan Harbinger

Yikes. That's awful.

2288.419 - 2291.82 Nick Pell

Yeah, it is awful. The things I'll do for money.

2291.88 - 2296.182 Jordan Harbinger

You mean researching the subject, just not child torture. Just to be clear, everyone. Hey, yeah.

2297.922 - 2320.689 Nick Pell

There are some things I won't do even for money. The people who wrote this study got some pretty solid statistics on abuse and homeschooling. And people taking their kids out of government schools because teachers notice abuse that happens. It's pretty rare, but it does happen. There's a super sad case that you can read about if you have a strong stomach.

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