The Jordan Harbinger Show
1324: Has "Vanilla" Guy Always Been Kinky on the Sly? | Feedback Friday
08 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What hidden kinks and habits are affecting a long-term marriage?
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I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with Feedback Friday producer, my woody chasing waterfalls, my connoisseur of cacao, Gabriel Mizrahi. Old Gaby Cachueras, that's what they call me. Amazing waterfall pick on the gram. My guy's like, dang, that's a legitimate waterfall. Look at that.
You know, the worse the roads, the better the waterfalls. That is one of many things I have learned from Bahia.
Yeah, it's almost like there's a deeper metaphor in there or something, somewhere. Oh, yeah.
Really? Maybe you can explain it to me one day. No, you got to figure out some things on your own, Gabe. I'm trying, bro. There's so much to learn. I'm learning a lot.
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Chapter 3: How can someone improve their job interview skills after setbacks?
We'll see. I'm wearing shoes again, so that should help. Yeah, good. But yeah, I do. I do understand this place more. This place is like if Tel Aviv, L.A., and Mexico City had a baby. That's how I'd describe it.
Wow. So it's full of hipster Jewish Latinos buying $18 smoothies at Erewhon? No, no, no. I think you're thinking of Santa Monica. Yeah, that's right. That's sort of the Wilshire west of the 405. My bad.
It's been a transition, dude. I've gone from contemplating the stars every night to renting Uber e-bikes to get to hot yoga in Copacabana. So very different. Wow. Vibe shift. Yeah. Wow. Vibe shift, truly. You know what else is a vibe shift? Our transitions.
Because on the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people. And we turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. And our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker.
During the week, we have long-form conversations with a variety of amazing folks, former jihadis, drug traffickers, CEOs, rocket scientists, astronauts. We had a busy week this week. I don't think I've ever released this many episodes in one week. Well, through the magic of poor planning, we had five episodes. Monday, we had David Royce.
He started multiple companies, had huge exits, talked sales and sales psychology. I thought that was quite an interesting, if not a little bit offbeat for this show anyway, episode. We also had Dr. Courtley Conley on walking and how you're doing it wrong, which is a little bit alarming for those of us out there that are bipeds. We also had my friend Todd Rose on collective illusions.
This is some fascinating social psychology. And we had a skeptical Sunday on the moon. On Fridays, though, we share stories, take listener letters, offer advice, play obnoxious soundbites, and never stick to the rivers and the lakes that we're used to. Feedback Friday always takes us to new bodies of water.
Speaking of which, you just got back from your Disney cruise, didn't you?
Oh, God. Hey, show fam. It's producer Jace here. If you want to take a skiff across the choppy waters of Jordan and Gabe's latest ridiculous adventure stories, you can jump to 20 minutes and 20 seconds. Enjoy the show.
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Chapter 4: What insights can we gain about the production of Feedback Friday?
That's where I go when I want premium experiences. Here's the thing, though. That's the thing. I thought, Costco? Cruise? What's happening? They're like, yeah, we bought a block of rooms, and we have these two ridiculously overpriced rooms that, surprise, nobody paid $15,000 for for the four-day cruise. And I was like, if you give it to me for $1,800, I'm in.
I basically just low-balled them, and they were like, you got it. Wow. But did you have to buy them in bulk? Like, did you have to buy a year's worth of cruise? I didn't have to buy a pallet of rooms. No, I just bought the one. And they were like, you can choose whichever one you want. I was like, wow, this is great.
So we ended up with this room that had, like, fancy boarding, early boarding, whatever, and, like, room services all included and whatever. Anyway, you get on, and we get escorted to enjoy our first meal on the ship, this place called Triton's, because they're all named after Disney folks. Is it 180 small size of Frosted Flakes? Yeah, no, it's this was like really good looking food.
And they're like, here's your steak and your mushroom thing. And I was like, this is delicious. By the way, this experience is unique to our family. I want to say it's not Disney's customer service was amazing. There was a lot of amazing things on the boat, but I immediately got food poisoning after that first meal. Like, not just like, oh, that was a little rough. I've got some stomach pressure.
No, like keeled over stomach pain, bowling ball in your gut, puked eight times, explosive
of everything and I didn't eat for two days oh no I couldn't look at food and it wasn't just me Jen's like you're being a drama queen you're gonna stick me with the kids on the first day of the cruise so you can lay around in bed and then like three hours later she comes back into the room just to see me just like projectile you know what everywhere like then she's like move I got I'm up and I was like oh you got sick too because I made her try it I'm just like this is so good you gotta have some
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Chapter 5: What challenges arise when friends open up about mental health?
oh how the toilets have turned yes indeed indeed so we were like thank god we upgraded and got two bathrooms in this same room and then so like basically I just playing musical toilets with your family that's so intense so I just like puked out everything that I could and I was like I think I'm done so I like took a shower and took the kids out of the room so that Jen could just like you know have the worst night of her life and like skip dinner skip the show go to bed woke up in the morning
I felt like somewhat human. She did not. I took the kids to the kids club. They were there for like a couple hours and they're like, well, this sucks. We want to leave. And I was like, great.
The whole, the thing that everyone sold us on, which is that your kids are never going to want to leave this kids club and you get all this alone time with your adult friends and your wife, whatever, that just wasn't happening. They're like, this sucks. We want to color in the room. We don't like the people at the kids club. Like they, they kept trying to make them do activities.
And they were like, we just want to play with the blocks or whatever. And they're like, no, we're going to make slime. We're going to color, or not, whatever it was. And they were just like, we don't want to cut out paper dolls. We just want to play dodgeball or whatever they were doing. I don't know. So all the kids were like, we want to go swimming. And I was like, all right, fine.
So I took them to the pool. Anyway, it was just...
a nightmare because jen got so much sicker than me even though she only had like a couple of bites and i think it's because well who knows why but the cruises by the way just in general it's the olympics of wasting food like they will bring you extra everything if you're like oh this was pretty good they're like oh how do you like the shrimp linguine and i'm like a huge portion but it's pretty good and they're like all right i'm gonna bring another round for everyone
And it's like, what are you doing? Hard to watch sometimes. Oh, it's tough, man. I'm like in the morning, I was like, hey, my stomach's upset. Can you bring me a bowl of oatmeal and a little bit of sugar and some berries? They brought me like this massive fruit thing and they brought me like an entire whole ass container of sugar, like more than I would use in a month in any amount of oatmeal.
Again, is this because you bought it from Costco or is this just cruise ships in general?
Yeah, they're like these Costco people, they want everything in bulk. So yeah, I remember Jen was like, oh, I like raisins in my oatmeal. And they brought a container, like no doubt, a 10 ounce container of raisins that was bigger than the bowl of oatmeal. Some guy comes in dragging a grape tree. Yeah. Take your pick. They do grow on vines. But yeah, it was just like unbelievable.
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Chapter 6: How can someone navigate feelings of inadequacy in friendships?
And I look this up. Their hours are absolutely insane. First of all, they work seven days a week. Most of the time. They also work like 16 hours a day. These are probably good jobs because you make like 50 grand a year at the high end. And if you're from, I don't know, like not a big place in Indonesia, like that's probably pretty good for Indonesia or the Philippines, right?
But you are, it's got to just be kind of miserable. And I'm going to go ahead and guess their state room is not as nice as the one that I had, right? And it doesn't have like floor to ceiling windows. in it, they're probably packed in there. So I just found talking to them was quite interesting.
It's a little tough though, right, because it's a Disney cruise, so you're like, hey, what are your hours like? And they're like, I love working here! And you're like, yeah, but you work a lot? And they're like, oh, but it doesn't feel like work! And you're like, OK, man, I'm out of here. I will Google it because they like can't say anything.
Your face and your arthritis tell a different story, my friend.
Exactly. There's all these different South Africans with different South African accents. And I realized probably at age 46 for the first time was like, oh, yeah, there's like these Afrikaners and the people who are English and they totally have different subculture and language and everything. And so I was like, wait, you're from South Africa?
But Brandon's also from South Africa, and he sounds completely different. So I was able to talk to some of those folks. One thing that I thought was interesting is that the South Africans were like, don't you love the South Africans? They're all so nice, except for Elon Musk. And everyone looked at her like, you're not allowed to say stuff like that on the boat.
Like just daggers. That makes me happy because it reminds me of when we were in North Korea and everywhere you went, people towed the party line and they had their little scripts and they had their stories about how it is and how this is such a great country and they're very happy. And then every once in a while, we would just crack that.
You would get past the facade and they would say one short, honest thing. And you'd be like, Now we're talking. I live for those moments. My favorite one is, and I haven't thought about this in a while, but I think you were not on this trip. This was one I did without you. And we were at the DMZ.
They have like a little museum where they have the document that they signed during the armistice agreement or whatever. And they have flags. And on the table next to the signed document, they had the North Korean flag. And then they had not the U.S. flag, but some other flag we use for diplomatic contexts. I can't remember. I think there's a U.N. flag. It was probably a U.N. flag.
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Chapter 7: What advice is given for dealing with a partner's dishonesty?
Yeah.
I know exactly whom you're talking about too. And she was really special and it was hard. It makes me sad.
Yeah. Especially if they've traveled, they know what semi-normal is. Like they go to China and they go, wait a minute, there's not a food shortage globally. What are you talking about?
I used to think about that too. Like it was so fun to get to know some of the North Koreans in Pyongyang or in the tourism department. And I was like, oh, if I lived here, this would definitely be the job I want. But then I was like, In a way, it's worse because you're rubbing up against people from other countries and you know that what the government is telling you is not true.
So in a way, it's harder. It's sadder. And then they say goodbye and we never get to talk to them again unless we go there, which we can't.
Well, the North Korea thing, that's a whole separate show.
How did we get onto that? Let's get back to the Costco cruise, shall we?
I'll lighten it up. So since there were so many different foreign accents on the boat, I had, there's this place called the Bibbidi-Bobbidi Boutique, by the way, on the ship. And it's for little kids to like go dress up as a princess or a pirate. So we bought Juniper this princess makeover thing and she's getting makeup done. Oh my God, dude, the photos of her were so, both of them were so cute.
Incredibly, incredibly cute. And so I had asked this guy from India where the Bibbidi-Bobbidi Boutique was. And sorry, this is going to sound a little cringe, but he was like, oh, the Bibbidi-Bobbidi Boutique. And I would laugh so hard. And he was laughing, too, because he had trouble saying it.
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Chapter 8: How does grief impact a partner's behavior in a marriage?
A lot of Disney adults, by the way. So this was the whole thing where I was like, these got to be the weirdest people ever. They're first of all, they're super nice because they're basically grown up kids and they're all friendly and they're in their happy place. Right. Because they're on a Disney cruise and they're like trading pins with my son. No judgment. But yes, a little judgment maybe.
But that's weirder to me than the Nazi tattoo. I look at it this way. I'm 46, my wife is 40. We would not go on a Disney cruise without little kids. But there were a lot of people our age that had no kids, or even younger, that had no kids with them. Look, maybe I just saw them without their kids, But I'm pretty sure these were the same people like I never saw them with their kids.
And they also had like Disney tattoos and stuff like that. And I thought, oh, no, these are Disney adults like they're buying jerseys in their size, goofy jerseys in their size of the store.
You got a Minnie Mouse tramp stamp. You're going on this cruise. I don't know, man. It's not the cruise that bothers me. It's the trading pins. You have to draw a line somewhere. For me, it's trading small objects as a grown adult. But maybe I don't understand the magic of Disney.
There was a 70-plus-year-old man, maybe even 80-plus, who had an eye patch, which is funny because it was a pirate-themed day, and I kept going, like, oh, look, a real pirate. And he'd go, yar! But he definitely was just missing an eye. Oh, yeah, you needed it. Yeah, and he had a Mickey Mouse eye patch, by the way. It was definitely for the trip.
And he was pin trading, and I was like, oh, let's go trade pins with this older guy. It'll be so nice. And I brought my son and two of my friend's kids were there with us. And he was like, nah, this pin's more value. Like this girl's like, I'll trade you this one for this. And he's like, no, no, no, this isn't a class above. I'm not going to trade you this.
And he was like hard balling these little kids during pin trading. And I was like, oh, he's not like, oh, sure. Whatever makes you happy. He was like, nah, this is a good pin. Yours sucks.
This is the greatest TV show I've seen in a long time. This is too funny.
Yeah, I'm going to wrap this in a sec. But there's this gifting culture where people it's called pixie dust, where like you can leave a bag or people make magnet hooks and stuff and they stick them to their cruise door. Jen made a bunch of necklaces to give away. And it's like, take a necklace.
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