Why Sweden Embraced Capitalism
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What economic challenges is Europe currently facing?
In recent years, Europe's economy hasn't been doing that well.
Britain's economy shrank unexpectedly in the three months to October. Germany is facing a third straight year of economic crisis, with most Germans increasingly worried about making ends meet. They're unlikely to be able to get France's debt under control anytime soon. It reached 3.3 trillion euros in June. That's a
The main picture has been somewhat sad over the last few years, that there has been little growth, just repeated shocks that the economy struggles to rebound from.
Tom Fairless is our global economics correspondent. Are there any countries in Europe that are doing well? Certainly Sweden does stand out. Sweden? its economy is growing at roughly the same rate as the U.S., which is to say, pretty fast. The Nordic country that was once synonymous with big government is doing something else.
Sweden, from an American point of view, from most countries' point of view, is the sort of gold standard of democratic socialism. What I found through this reporting is that actually what drives the dynamism is the extent to which it's rolled back the state. That's what a lot of the economists I spoke to said, that in the 20 or 30 years since they've been liberalizing, incomes have doubled, real incomes have doubled after inflation. So this kind of gold standard of democratic socialism is actually a laboratory for free market capitalism.
Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Ryan Knudsen. It's Monday, June 8th. Coming up on the show, how Sweden embraced capitalism.
Sweden's reputation for big government and high taxation comes from the 1960s and 1970s, when the government was growing rapidly. And when I say high taxes, I mean really high taxes.
There was an author, a Swedish author, who wrote an essay about how her marginal tax rate was 102%. 102%?
How is that even possible? Are you taxed more than you make?
Exactly, yeah. You end up paying more than you actually earn in the extra income.
You've got to dip into your savings account. Exactly. Exactly. That author was Astrid Lindgren, who wrote the famous children's book Pippi Longstocking, and ironically, appears on some Swedish currency. So it was extremely high levels of taxation.
And I think Sweden is, you know, it's not like the U.S. It's a small, homogeneous country. And there's some big family-owned companies that own lots of the stock market. And there was a feeling that they were all in it together.
All that taxation came with a very cushy safety net.
Yeah, it means cradle to the grave welfare state that's extremely generous childcare, extremely high unemployment benefits, and yeah, extremely heavy spending on things like healthcare and pensions.
But there was a trade-off. In the 80s, wages were stagnant, while inflation grew.
Why does Sweden stand out among European countries?
Then came an economic crisis in 1990. Major banks collapsed, and property prices plummeted by about 50%.
So there was a general feeling that the economic model wasn't working. And then there was this great depression. So there was affection for this, the big state idea, and we're all in it together, all for one, one for all. But there was a sense that it wasn't cutting it in the modern economy.
So in the 1990s, Sweden started undergoing a capitalist makeover. At first, it was just to stabilize the economy.
So they started by bailing out all the banks, and then I think they put in these strict government spending rules.
Then it was ending government monopolies in certain industries.
And then they started to privatize, and to privatize lots of different sectors, like electricity and the postal service, telecoms, to introduce some private energy into those.
It also partially privatized its healthcare system. Today, nearly half of the country's primary clinics are privately owned, many by private equity firms. Tom went to see one.
They have these beautiful clinics where it looked like kind of spas. So yeah, very, very different from the sort of, I mean, I'm British, very different from the experience we're used to in most of Europe with publicly funded healthcare.
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