Nathan Radke: The Haunted Doll Industry - January 13, 2026
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Smart, sharp, and slightly unhinged. Late night's fresh perspective. The Last Show with David Cooper. Phantom, spooky, prophetic, haunted, cursed, spooky, scary, demon-riddled, and scary dolls that can predict the future. They are all the rage. And I want to talk about maybe one of the most famous haunted dolls, Annabelle. Its handler, if you can call him that, Dan Rivera, died under suspicious circumstances, perhaps. We are talking the haunted doll and haunted whatever industry here with Nathan Radke. on Conspiracy Corner. Nathan is a professor of conspiracy studies at Humber Polytechnic, and he co-hosts the Uncover Up podcast. I'm done with this introduction, Nathan. Welcome to the show.
What is the haunted doll industry and why is it popular?
Thanks for having me on. And I got to say, that was a really top-notch introduction.
It was, of all the introductions I've done on the show, definitely one of them. Okay, for those that have never engaged with a haunted doll or never engaged with a haunted doll plus handler to, I don't know, get a curse going, to predict the future, to do weird and sinister stuff, what can I expect if I am to employ the services of said doll?
Well, I mean, if we are to believe what people claim, maybe you don't want to do this. Maybe this is a bit dicey. And the best way to understand it is to look at a story that's happened recently. Because last year in July, there was a paranormal investigator named Dan Rivera, and he died suddenly. Obviously sad for his friends and family. He was only 54.
Who is Annabelle and what is her story?
He had four kids. By all counts, he was a sweet guy. But it was big news for people in the haunted doll community, which, as we'll see, is a thing. And the reason is when Rivera died, he was on tour with the original Annabelle doll. And if that name sounds familiar, it's because that doll is the inspiration for a character in the Conjuring horror movie franchise, which I think is one of the biggest horror movie franchises ever.
Can we do a quick aside as to why? And I did interview someone about this who was like a researcher in psychology during Halloween. But why dolls are so scary like Chucky and Annabelle and why they're so heavily featured in horror movies?
Well, I mean, dolls are kind of perfect for this kind of thing because we've you and I have talked about the uncanny valley before. And dolls are right in the center of the uncanny valley. They're almost human looking, but not quite human looking. And as far as like haunted objects go, you you can you could not do better than a doll. Because a lot of them are old and weird, and old and weird equals haunted. A lot of them have sort of loose joints in their arms and their necks, which means if you jostle them a little bit or if you're carrying them funny, it almost looks like they move on their own. Do you remember those dolls that when you sat them up, their eyeballs would open?
Oh, no. I don't like that at all. I don't remember them and don't want to remember them.
Yeah, I mean, it was terrifying. And, of course, most frightening of all was Betsy Wetsy. Oh, I don't know of Betsy Wetsy. Betsy Wetsy was a 1950s doll that you could feed liquid to, and then she would urinate.
That is haunting.
What happened to Dan Rivera and how did he die?
Yeah. You know what? You just nailed it on the head. I didn't even set you up for it. I said some psychology researcher wrote a paper about it, and that person had to do peer review, and all they got to was it's the uncanny valley. And that's basically when an object, a picture, whatever— Almost looks real, but it's not quite real. We either like something very cartoonish or very realistic. But when something is in that weird in-between space, it just triggers like, I don't know, all kinds of like alert signals in our brain, like something is wrong.
What are the consequences of handling haunted dolls?
No, absolutely, which is why in pop culture, there's a long history of using dolls in this way. There was a Twilight Zone episode in the 60s. There was obviously the Chucky series. Poltergeist had some haunted dolls. And in the Conjuring movie franchise, we have this character that's this terrifying sort of ceramic-faced Victorian doll named Annabelle.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–0:46
2
What is the haunted doll industry and why is it popular?
0:46–1:31
3
Who is Annabelle and what is her story?
1:31–3:05
4
What happened to Dan Rivera and how did he die?
3:05–3:33
5
What are the consequences of handling haunted dolls?
3:33–6:42
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What is the significance of the Annabelle doll in pop culture?
6:42–7:52
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Why are dolls considered scary and how does the uncanny valley relate?
7:52–19:04
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