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Trump Witnesses Collapse on Live TV from Cross-Exam

Wed, 21 May 2025

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on some more brilliant cross-examination and questioning from Democratic Senators and Congress Members of Trump witnesses at various hearings. PolicyGenius: Head to https://policygenius.com/MEIDAS to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you could save. Visit https://meidasplus.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What are the key moments of cross-examination by Democratic Senators?

76.347 - 98.742 Unknown Speaker

My concern is you're sending a chill down the spine of America by going after people die entweder legalen Status oder amerikanische Bürger haben. Und wenn meine Kollegen dich über habeus corpus fragen und du sagst, wir können die Tape überprüfen, dass du glaubst, es ist ein Recht, das der Präsident hat. Du saßt hier vor allen von uns und hattest einen Geschenk an die Konstitution.

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98.802 - 112.608 Unknown Speaker

Und das ist nicht überhaupt, was habeus corpus ist. Es ist ein Recht, das wir alle bekommen, das amerikanische Bürger bekommen, das die Menschen, die in den Vereinigten Staaten sind, legal haben. So my concern is, it's complete overreach.

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112.688 - 132.755 Unknown Speaker

I don't think American citizens, even those who voted for Trump, believe that you should be able to just grab someone off the street, sloppy, who has the legal right to be here, and certainly an American citizen. And I just am concerned that while you say you're going after the most dangerous folks, what you're actually doing is going after folks for political reasons.

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133.115 - 137.436 Unknown Speaker

A PhD student that's on our arm is not at the top of the list.

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137.476 - 144.318 Kristi Noem

And we're not deporting US citizens and we're not deporting people who have legal status here.

144.378 - 170.467 Ben Meiselas

And we're now also learning about the Trump regime sending a Burmese national to South Sudan in violation of a federal judge's order. We'll be covering that more in depth as well. Das ist eine riesige Verletzung eines Gerichts. Dann gibt es den demokratischen Senator Dick Durbin, der RfK-Junior in einigen grundlegenden Fakten schult.

170.487 - 176.25 Ben Meiselas

Und RfK-Junior wird gezwungen, zu sagen, oh, ich glaube, ich lerne das jetzt. Spiel diesen Clip.

176.31 - 198.025 Unknown Speaker

Aber ich möchte Sie erinnern, am 1. April haben zehn Laboratoriumleute des Nationalen Instituts für Neurologische Krankheiten und Schmerzen ihre Laufkontrollen erhoben. They were all PhDs and senior investigators. They're not administrators, whatever that might be. They were running intramural labs at NIH. If you have your way, they'll all be gone on June 2nd.

198.085 - 208.947 Unknown Speaker

Science Magazine reported 25 of 320 physician researchers at NIH's internal clinical center are leaving. And the number of patients treated in the hospital has been reduced by 30%.

Chapter 2: How are Trump witnesses being challenged in hearings?

414.494 - 416.958 Unknown Speaker

Is that correct? It's incorrect. It was $42,000. Okay.

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417.942 - 439.846 Jasmine Crockett

My bad. But the reality is that we do have real problems. And I don't know how we're going to get to real solutions if we continue to just make everything about politics as it was properly outlined by the gentleman from Florida. That was a Republican bill. And I'll be perfectly honest with you. I wasn't really a big fan of the bill myself on my side.

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439.886 - 448.13 Jasmine Crockett

So I know that there was a lot of conservative stuff in that bill that was going to be harmful. And with that, I am going to yield back to the gentleman from Florida.

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448.17 - 453.535 Ben Meiselas

More from Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, who brings the fight. Play the clip.

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454.011 - 487.685 Jasmine Crockett

Federal law explicitly prohibits DHS from, quote, preventing a member of Congress from entering for the purpose of conducting oversight any facility operated by or for the Department of Homeland Security used to detain or otherwise house aliens or to make any temporary modification at any such facility that in any way alters what is observed by a visiting member of Congress.

487.745 - 508.86 Jasmine Crockett

It is against the law. Full stop. Separately, the Court has consistently held that the Speech and Debate Clause of the Constitution protects individual members from prosecution for legislative acts, including, quote, fact-finding, field investigations, and information gathering.

509.56 - 536.652 Jasmine Crockett

The court has consistently held that the primary purpose of the speech and debate clause is to, quote, prevent intimidation by the executive and before a possibly hostile judiciary. So let's call this for what it is. This administration is criminalizing legislative oversight and the Republicans on this committee are helping them to do so. Rep. McIver didn't engage in interference.

536.712 - 544.121 Jasmine Crockett

It was ICE that engaged in interference while members of Congress attempted to conduct legitimate oversight of ICE facilities.

544.326 - 565.139 Ben Meiselas

Jetzt haben wir den demokratischen Bundeskanzler Jamie Raskin, der verletzt ist. Er ist verpisscht. Man hat den Trump-Regime, der der Familie von Ashley Babbitt 5 Millionen Dollar von Steuergeld verdient hat. Sie war eine Insurrectionistin, die nicht zu den Polizisten hörte, wenn sie versucht hat, in die versicherte Gegend zu brechen.

Chapter 3: What accusations are made against the Trump administration?

660.02 - 682.11 Unknown Speaker

The decision to give millions of dollars to the Babbitt family and nothing to the families of the police officers who defended this capital, who defended us, exacerbates the insult of Speaker Johnson's continuing refusal to hang a simple plaque. In honor of the officers who defended the Capitol and the Congress and the Vice President.

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682.17 - 703.292 Unknown Speaker

A plaque mandated by law and now more than two years overdue on the west front of the Capitol. The Speaker's stubborn refusal to respect the law is craven submission. More from Raskin, let's play it. ... for doing their jobs. Representative Buddy Carter called our colleagues rioters.

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724.285 - 734.892 Unknown Speaker

Next up, we've got Democratic Congressmember Jared Moskowitz, who points out the amount of waste in the MAGA Republican budget, where they want to give $800 million

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747.72 - 769.169 Ben Meiselas

in Bonuses to ICE Agents, $42,000 per ICE Agent, and Moskowitz is like, I'm okay, give him a bonus. But like, does that, $42,000 per ICE Agent? What about all the FEMA people were cutting and the NIH people and CDC who were firing and the veterans who were firing? Here, play this clip.

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769.309 - 788.194 Unknown Speaker

Herr Mourinho, zu den Bonus-Themen, bitte kurz. Unterstützt ihr Eis-Agenten, 42.000 Dollar an Bonus-Themen zu bekommen? Es gibt 800 Billionen Dollar für Bonus-Themen. Okay? Ich sage Billionen, Entschuldigung, ich entschuldige mich. 800 Millionen Dollar für Bonus-Themen. Unterstützt ihr das?

788.814 - 795.258 Unknown Speaker

Ja, welchen Bonus reden wir hier? Reduktionsbonus? Das ist eine tolle Frage, Herr Marino. Tolle Frage.

795.498 - 816.653 Unknown Speaker

Sie sagten es überhaupt nicht im Backup. Es gab überhaupt keine Dokumentation, was die Bonus für waren. Es waren nur 800 Millionen für Bonus. Das klingt wie viel Geld für föderale Mitarbeiter für Bonus. Nicht, dass wir unsere föderalen Mitarbeiter nicht behandeln wollen. Gut, natürlich. Aber ich habe 500 Millionen für Bonus vorgelegt. Und sie sagten, 500 Millionen klingt ein bisschen besser, oder?

817.844 - 824.427 Unknown Speaker

Ich habe noch nie einen 42.000-Dollar-Bonus erhalten. Aber die Zeiten sind anders.

824.447 - 825.728 Unknown Speaker

Rekrutieren ist schwieriger.

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