472. What Sports Reveals about Presidents and Leaders, with Guest Mentor Chris Cillizza

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What insights does Chris Cillizza provide about sports and leadership?

Dan Hesse 0:07
And now, The Mentors Radio, one of the most popular and unique shows on the air today. Here each week, remarkable CEOs and leaders, including host Tom Lurie and Dan Hesse, and their guest, will mentor you, challenging your thinking about life and work. sought after for their ethical leadership and advice, and for helping others succeed throughout their careers, now these same CEOs, the mentors, want to help you achieve your highest level of profitability, success, and personal fulfillment in life, at work, and in business. Learn more and check out the show notes at TheMentorsRadio.com. That's TheMentorsRadio.com. And now, here's your mentor. Welcome, I'm your host, Dan Hesse, and I'm with Chris Silliza, an American political analyst, journalist, and digital media creator.
Dan Hesse 0:56
He is best known for his sharp, accessible breakdowns of US politics. He now runs a popular YouTube channel and publishes on Substack, where he explains political news in clear, engaging terms. In his latest book, Power Players, Sports, Politics, and the American Presidency, Chris takes a nonpartisan and fascinating approach to understanding leadership.

How did Eisenhower's football experience shape his leadership style?

Dan Hesse 1:17
Instead of just studying presidents as politicians, He looks at them as athletes, competitors and fans and explores what sports reveal about their leadership traits. So, Chris, welcome to the Mentors Radio. It's a pleasure to have you.
Chris Cillizza 1:31
Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled. Any time I get to talk about the book makes me happy. It was a real joy to write.
Dan Hesse 1:38
Well, there's a lot to unpack in your book. You start with Dwight Eisenhower, which is actually great for me because he was president when I was born. You talk a little bit about presidents before him, like Teddy Roosevelt, who really believed sports built character. Eisenhower, I think, said sports readies men for war. Eisenhower played football and he was pretty good at it at West Point. I think he hurt his knee. And then I think they asked him to coach the JV. So what did football teach Eisenhower as both a player and a coach?
Chris Cillizza 2:10
yeah it's so interesting and i will admit i did not know this before i started i mean i i i like to fashion myself as a political junkie and a sports junkie but there's still a lot of room to learn in there and i did not know a bunch of stuff that was in the book which was really fun to kind of uncover but one of the things you you kind of obliquely mentioned it is Roosevelt, TR, Teddy Roosevelt certainly, FDR, and then right into Eisenhower, they all viewed sports, but football in particular, as the best way to train young men to fight in wars. So they viewed it as sort of a societal necessity in that nothing else, in their estimation, nothing else could prepare teenage boys going into manhood
Chris Cillizza 3:10
for the rigor, the sacrifice, the pain potentially of a war, following orders, learning plays, et cetera, et cetera. So that's why, you know, when FDR brought the heads of, at the time, it was like all the Ivies, Yale and Harvard together because people were dying playing football because they didn't wear helmets. He was more, he was less interested in it because of its, um you know that he liked football then he viewed it as the only training ground they had so eisenhower very much in keeping uh with that i mean what's fascinating about eisenhower is He, as you said, was a pretty good football player. He was the first of... So I basically looked at every president from Eisenhower all the way through Biden at the time the book came out was 2023.
Chris Cillizza 3:55
The one thread that binds all of them sports-wise is golf. And Eisenhower is probably the one that was the most... passionate about it. So he found other outlets for his sort of competitive nature and, you know, wanting to wanting to be involved in sports. But yeah, football, football is fascinating because it wasn't even really for the game. It was more for the for the training.
Dan Hesse 4:20
So you mentioned football, and I was surprised reading your book, how many presidents played football, a lot of them. And the only sport that more of them played was the one you just mentioned, which was golf.

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