The Mike Hosking Breakfast
Episodes
Mike's Minute: Noeline Taurua has been badly treated
14 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Noeline Taurua isn't the first coach to be badly treated. But she might be the most successful and well regarded. Sport is a funny thing, especially n...
Sir John Kirwan: All Blacks legend on South Africa’s dominating game in Wellington
14 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The All Blacks lost 43-10 to the Springboks in Wellington on Saturday night. It is the biggest defeat the All Blacks have suffered in a test mat...
Christopher Luxon: Prime Minister says recognition of Palestine is a 'complex issue'
14 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Cabinet discussions are continuing over whether New Zealand will recognise the State of Palestine. A number of countries have said they'll recognise P...
Brent Eccles: Eccles Entertainment Founder discusses what the event funding boost means for tourism
14 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Excitement over the Government's change in event funding, with its newly announced $70million tourism package. It includes $40million to secure ...
Floyd du Plessis: Corrections Association President says prisons should have different standards to encourage rehabilitation
14 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
New data from Corrections, reveals more than 3,000 gang members and associates make up the just over 10,000 sentenced and remand prisoners. It e...
Richard Arnold: US Correspondent gives latest updates on fallout from Charlie Kirk shooting
14 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The fallout from Charlie Kirk’s death continues as politicians, commentators and celebrities weigh-in on the situation. The likes of Stephen K...
Mike's Minute: Here's the truth on working from home
12 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Hasn’t working from home become funny? Seek have produced a thing called Money Matters, and they look at work-life balance. Actually, ha...
Mark the Week: The by-election was a bust on every level
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
At the end of each week, Mike Hosking takes you through the big-ticket items and lets you know what he makes of it all. The cathedral: 7/...
Mike's Minute: Charter schools starting to get their day in the sun
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
My uplifting story of the week involves charter schools. Charter schools are the little idea that could. Or maybe they are the big game-changing...
Wrapping the Week with Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson: Dame Noeline Taurua, marimbas, Mike's gift
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
It’s Friday which means Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson are back to Wrap the Week that was with Mike Hosking. They reminisced about David Bryne, ...
Major Richard Adams: New Zealand Army Lead on Uncrewed Aerial Systems on the Military International Drone Racing Tournament
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The New Zealand Army is embracing the race to the latest drone technology. A tri-service team is being sent to the UK for the Military Drone Rac...
Full Show Podcast: 12 September 2025
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Friday 12th of September, a new school subject list has been announced, and there’s an emphasis ...
Richard Arnold: US Correspondent on the latest in the Charlie Kirk killing
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Authorities say they are making significant progress in the manhunt for Charlie Kirk's killer. The highly influential conservative activist and...
Nick Clark: Local Government Business Forum Secretary on the call for referendums for major council spending
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Voter turnout could be an issue for a proposal to introduce binding referendums on major council spending projects. The Local Government Busines...
Ankit Sharma: Master Builders CEO on the State of the Sector Report, consumer confidence
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
There's cautious optimism in the construction sector and hopes the economy will improve. The Master Builders State of the Sector Report cites r...
Mark Stewart: Christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Director on the new, cheaper restoration plan
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Christ Church Cathedral rebuild could be the last milestone for the Garden City to thrive. Work will begin next year to complete the nave, ...
Erica Stanford: Education Minister on the subject refresh in the national curriculum
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Education Minister says a lot of schools were already trying to teach some of the new curriculum subjects. A new list of study topics has be...
Mike's Minute: Public support could be tipping away from teachers
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
As the teachers maybe, maybe not accept their pay offers and maybe, maybe not go on strike yet again, I can't help but worry about the new recruits.&n...
Lee Marshall: Hunter Campbell Managing Partner on the results of the Mood of the CFO survey
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
New Zealand’s finance leaders are more confident for the year ahead. A new report from the Hunter Campbell Group shows an uptick in confidence...
Andrew Webster: Warriors Coach on finishing 6th in the NRL season, the upcoming playoffs
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
It’s time for the business end of the NRL season. The Warriors have finished 6th, securing a home final against the Penrith Panthers, but losi...
Full Show Podcast: 11 September 2025
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Thursday 11th of September, the Government are looking at the idea of guilty until proven innocent...
Stephanie Tully: Jetstar CEO on the airline's expansion in the New Zealand market
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jetstar says it's done its homework on the New Zealand market before unveiling its latest —and biggest— expansion in the trans-Tasman market. ...
Mark Campbell: James Dyson Award Winner on his Lensare glasses for epilepsy and photophobia
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A young inventor has taken home the top honours at the James Dyson Awards for a pair of glasses made to tackle epilepsy. University of Canterbu...
Matt Whineray: Netball New Zealand Board Chair on the standing down of Silver Ferns coach Dame Noeline Taurua
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A telling response as speculation swirls around the standing down of Silver Ferns coach Dame Noeline Taurua ahead of next week's international series ...
Paul Goldsmith: Justice Minister on the changes to shoplifting offences, the High Court's ruling on Kim Dotcom's extradition
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Government wants to deal with shoplifting offences in a quicker way instead of going through the entire court system. The Justice Minister'...
Marcus Beveridge: Queen City Law Immigration Lawyer on the number of citizens leaving New Zealand
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
An expectation New Zealand needs to do more to keep people here longer. Latest Stats NZ data shows close to 48 thousand New Zealand citizens lef...
Mike's Minute: The issue Hipkins has with the Māori Party
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
I have been wondering when the penny would drop and yesterday might have been it. There were two stories on Chris Hipkins' problems with the Mā...
Pollies: National's Mark Mitchell and Labour's Ginny Andersen on the Tom Phillips situation, organised crime
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Ministers from both sides of the divide are praising the Police for their handling of the Tom Phillips situation. The four-year manhunt for Phil...
Full Show Podcast: 10 September 2025
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Wednesday 10th of September, the Children's Commissioner speaks on what happens now with Tom Phill...
Billie Moore: NZ Airports Association CEO on the report looking at integrating domestic and international terminals
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Airports could save money and drive down airfares by bringing domestic and international terminals together. A study has found integrated airpor...
Kate Acland: Beef + Lamb NZ Board Chair on the record levels of red meat export prices
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
New Zealand red meat prices are at record levels and are expected to remain strong throughout the year. Earnings for core red meat exports are ...
Steve Symon: Ministerial Advisory Group Chair on their plan for tackling organised crime
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A panel of experts has a solution to tackling organised crime but won't yet say what it is. The Ministerial Advisory Group on Transnational, Ser...
Andy England: Darfield High School Principal on the high number of students granted early leave exemptions
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A view that more students are dropping out of school early because they have a clear career pathway in mind. More than 1300 15-year-olds receive...
Angus Chambers: General Practice Association Chair on the impact of the digital health service
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A new digital health service is being praised, but one doctor believes it's doing more harm than good. More than 21 thousand consultations have ...
Claire Achmad: Children's Commissioner calls to give the children of Tom Phillips space
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The country is being urged to give Tom Phillips' children time and space to begin their long road to recovery. The children are now at an undisc...
Mike's Minute: We need more transparency around the Reserve Bank
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We should all thank Kelly Eckhold, a some-time participant on this show and most-of-the-time economist at Westpac, for his thinking around the future ...
Catherine Field: France Correspondent on the Prime Minister being ousted in a vote of no confidence
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
France has been plunged into a fresh political crisis, with MPs voting to oust the prime minister. The BBC reports Francois Bayrou called the su...
James Laughlin: High performance leadership coach on success, new book ‘Habits for High Performers’
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What does it take to achieve excellence? James Laughlin is a 7 time world champion drummer, a high-performance leadership trainer, and the menta...
Full Show Podcast: 09 September 2025
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Tuesday 9th of September, Police Commissioner Richard Chambers and Police Minister Mark Mitchell d...
Mike Atkinson: Aspire Property Management Managing Director on the national average rent falling
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Rents are falling, with the national average hitting the lowest point since September of 2023. It’s sitting at $628, with Wellington being hit...
Jo Townsend: New Zealand Super Fund CEO on the fund generating returns of nearly 12% in the past year
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The New Zealand Super Fund has bucked economic trends. It's generated returns of nearly 12% over the past year, growing to $85 billion, and it’...
Mark Mitchell: Police Minister on Tom Phillips' death, the recovery of the three children
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Police Minister Mark Mitchell says officers faced a difficult and complex situation bringing an end to Tom Phillips's time on the run. He was sh...
Brian Roche: Public Service Commissioner on the latest pay offers to teachers
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Recent pay offers to teachers are seen by the Public Service Commissioner as entirely reasonable. Primary teachers decided to reject its latest ...
Richard Chambers: Police Commissioner on the death of Tom Phillips, recovery of the children
08 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Police Commissioner says they're very relieved to have safely recovered the children of Marokopa fugitive Tom Phillips after nearly four years.&nb...
Full Show Podcast: 08 September 2025
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Monday the 8th of September, NZ First leader Winston Peters speaks after his party conference over...
Mike's Minute: All Blacks vs The Māori Party
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What a contrast Saturday night was. At Eden Park the rugby as good as you could possibly want. For all the hype and worry of the week, the All Blacks ...
Commentary Box: Andrew Saville and Jason Pine discuss the All Blacks vs South Africa, Wallabies vs Argentina, and the Warriors' difficult next match
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports. On the table today: The All Blacks have defeated South A...
Christopher Luxon: Prime Minister says he is surprised by Labour's loss in Tamaki Makaurau by-election
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Prime Minister's surprised Labour lost in the Tamaki Makaurau by-election. Te Pati Maori's Oriini Kaipara won the seat over Peeni Henare by ...
Leigh Marsh: Corrections Custodial Services Commissioner on Paremoremo prison makeover
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A colourful makeover coming for Auckland's Paremoremo prison unit which houses the country's most dangerous criminals, won't be anything too flashy. I...
Winston Peters: New Zealand First leader on the party's annual conference
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The New Zealand First election campaign may have begun, and Winston Peters believes the party is marching forward with practical solutions. MPs and su...
Chris Wakeman: General surgeon says the health sector should set targets for all elective surgeries
07 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Belief the health sector should set targets for all elective surgeries to ensure wait times are reduced fairly. The Government's exceeded its half-yea...
Mike's Minute: Are we over-cafe'd?
05 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We have all seen it. I have seen it a good number of times. The café that was exemplary, sold, the new owner changes the menu, brings in a few ...
Mark the Week: The Chinese parade was spellbinding
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
At the end of each week, Mike Hosking takes you through the big-ticket items and lets you know what he makes of it all. The Chinese parad...
Mike's Minute: The Govt promised what they can't deliver
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From the old "cart before the horse" department are two setbacks for ideas we thought were going to work, or perhaps we hoped were going to work, but ...
Wrapping the Week with Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson: Prep work, efficiency and energy, IKEA, supermarket promos
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Friday has come so Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson are back with Mike Hosking to Wrap the Week that was. Mike comments on the effort another ZB hos...
David Kirk: KMD Brands Chairman on the closure of 21 stores to try save costs
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Another tough week for brick and mortar retail. Outdoor goods retailer KMD Brands, who owns the likes of Kathmandu and Rip Curl, has announced t...
Full Show Podcast: 05 September 2025
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Friday 5th of September, Immigration NZ is cracking down on overstayers as numbers surge – Steve...
Codie Taylor: All Blacks hooker ahead of the Eden Park clash against South Africa
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
No surprise from All Blacks hooker Codie Taylor at the competitiveness of the Rugby Championship. All four countries enter the third round fixtu...
Steve Watson: Immigration New Zealand Compliance General Manager on changes to deportation rules and overstayer numbers
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Immigration New Zealand's working on picking up immigrants who have overstayed their visa, following a surge. New figures estimate there's 21 t...
Judith Collins: Defence Minister on her trip to Ukraine to see the front line
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Defence Minister Judith Collins has had frontline access to the war in Ukraine. She's returned from the war-torn country, visiting sites impacte...
Simeon Brown: Health Minister on seeking binding arbitration to resolve the senior doctors dispute
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Health Minister wants the senior doctors’ union to put patients first and enter binding arbitration. Simeon Brown has given Health NZ and ...
Mike's Minute: Auckland is dealing with the trouble of change
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The trouble with change, apart from the fact we don’t like it, is it's especially bad if we don't know what it is. The good news for real esta...
Dave Ferguson: Nuro co-founder and President on leading the way in robotics and robotaxis
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
One of New Zealand’s brightest is looking to be a leading figure in the robotics and self-driving car game. Kiwi Dave Ferguson is one of the m...
Full Show Podcast: 04 September 2025
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Thursday 4th of September, does Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith have a fix for a system a new repo...
Pete Gillespie: Garage Project Founder on stepping in to save Fortune Favours
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
An SOS call has been answered in Wellington’s hospitality sector. Local brewers Garage Project have stepped in to save Fortune Favours’ bar ...
Nick Miller: International Tax Specialist on the report looking into taxing multinational corporations
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
There’s a view that large tech companies could be challenged to pay more tax. A report from tax expert Nick Miller says companies like Google...
Chris Mackenzie: Ferry Holdings Ltd Chair on the Govt choosing the preferred interisland ferry suppliers
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Smooth sailing so far for Ferry Holdings, as a preferred supplier of two new Cook Strait vessels is selected. Rail Minister Winston Peters has a...
David Seymour: Epsom MP pushes back against the Auckland housing intensification plan
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
David Seymour says he's opposing planning changes in Auckland in his role as local MP, rather than his role as Act Party Leader. Seymour's oppos...
John O'Neill: Massey University Professor of Teacher Education on the rising number of people studying to be teachers
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
There's a belief the number of people studying to become teachers needs to keep rising to meet demand. There's been about 3,500 new domestic enr...
Paul Goldsmith: Justice Minister on the report revealing the justice system is under considerable stress
03 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Fixing major challenges in the justice system might need to be a team effort from key players across the board. Concern around mounting stress i...
Mike's Minute: The Paris Accord was well-intentioned, but futile
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
David Seymour's call around the Paris Accord merely adds to the list of calls around the Paris Accord. If we could park the emotion and the band...
Richard Arnold: US Correspondent on Trump's health, the latest ruling against military troops in LA
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Donald Trump says reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. The US president is addressing media in the White House after his recent a...
Brent Linn: Hawke’s Bay Winegrowers CEO on the changes in the market, export growth
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Is this a turning point for the wine industry? Data shows export volumes are expected to grow 4% to 285 million litres in the year to June 2025....
Carolyn Young: Retail NZ CEO on the impact of Temu on the value of New Zealand's imports
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The growing volume of purchases from the likes of Shein and Temu are hitting New Zealand’s import economy hard. Stats New Zealand has revised ...
Full Show Podcast: 03 September 2025
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Wednesday 3rd of September, our tourism stats are slowly continuing to move in the right direction...
Pollies: National's Mark Mitchell and Labour's Ginny Andersen on Brooke van Velden's comments, Peeni Henare, Paris Agreement
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Government ministers have received a reminder about the "separation of powers". Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden has been criticis...
Ian Ebbs: Winner of the Red Bull competition to design Liam Lawson's next helmet on his design
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A Christchurch father-of-three has won a nationwide competition to design a helmet for Formula One driver Liam Lawson. The competition, run by L...
Andrew Hoggard: Associate Agriculture Minister on ACT's call to pull out of the Paris Climate Agreement
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
ACT believes New Zealand needs to be more realistic when it comes to the Paris Agreement. The party, along with NZ First, have expressed intere...
Catherine Law: Avonside Girls' High School Principal on the ban on open-plan classrooms, funding to fix them
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Schools are keen to move on from open-plan classrooms due to the negative impacts on learning. The Government's announced it will give funding t...
René de Monchy: Tourism New Zealand CEO on the rising overseas visitor numbers reaching 86% of pre-Covid numbers
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The tourism sector's still fighting for pre-Covid numbers. The most recent International Visitor Survey shows overseas visitor numbers have lift...
Mike's Minute: Foreigners buying homes - we got there at last
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We got there at last. If you are a Golden Visa holder, that’s a person who puts $5-10 million into the country, you can now buy a house. ...
Ben Bayly: Kiwi Chef on his career, A New Zealand food story, opening a 7th restaurant
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A Kiwi chef is demonstrating that success can be found even in a tough industry. Ben Bayly owns six restaurants around New Zealand, including Ah...
Full Show Podcast: 02 September 2025
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Tuesday 2nd of September, the Prime Minister and Winston Peters joined to discuss the new investme...
Annie Dundas: Tātaki Auckland Unlimited Destination Director on the 'Kiwi North' tourism alliance aiming to attract Australian visitors
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Our largest-ever North Island tourism alliance is just getting started, as they work to win over Australian travellers this week. More than 70 t...
Roger Partridge: NZ Initiative report co-author on the call to cull and consolidate ministerial portfolios
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
There’s a call to cull some of New Zealand’s ministers. A new report from the New Zealand Initiative found New Zealand has 81 ministerial p...
Monika Lacey: Centrix Chief Operating Officer on mortgage lending rising year on year
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Refinancing activity is continuing to surge as the Official Cash Rate continues to fall. Latest Centrix figures show mortgage enquiries are up 1...
Winston Peters: NZ First Leader on the changes to investment rules that allow foreign investors to buy property
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters says he wasn't dragged kicking and screaming into a new foreign investors deal. The Government’s appro...
Christopher Luxon: Prime Minister on lifting the foreign buyers ban under new investment visa settings, Amazon date centres going live
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Prime Minister is celebrating tech-giant Amazon's continued moves into the New Zealand market. Amazon Web Services' data centres are now ope...
Full Show Podcast: 01 September 2025
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Listen to the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Monday 1 September. Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning ...
Mike's Minute: The Reserve Bank mess is finally at an end
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Rhetorical question - why do you think Neil Quigley quit on a Friday night? The key is, he would have been booted if he didn’t walk. So it sort of e...
Commentary Box: Andrew Saville and Jason Pine join to discuss the Warriors, the Springboks and surfing
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports. On the table today: How are the Warriors shaping up for ...
Richard Arnold: US Correspondent says Trump is running out of victories, and trading partners
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A recent decision by the US Court of Appeal has ruled Trump’s tariffs illegal. The court has said it will leave the tariffs in effect for the...
Christopher Luxon: Prime Minister on the Reserve bank's reputation following Quigley's resignation
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Christopher Luxon doesn't think the Reserve Bank's reputation has suffered any long-term damage. Neil Quigley resigned as chair of the central bank on...
Ceedee Doyle: Board game convention organiser on resurgence in board game popularity
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Board games have rolled past go, and seen a massive resurgence in popularity in the past decade. The global market has an estimated value of more than...
James Meager: Associate Transport Minister on government handouts to smaller airlines.
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A game-changer for smaller airlines that don't want to up prices, amid soaring aviation costs. The Government's offering up to 30-million dollars in l...
Richard Chambers: Police Commissioner on violent crime decrease, targets being met and more police officers in the force
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Police Commissioner's putting a focus on the basics down as a key contributor to a fall in violent crime. The New Zealand Crime and Victims Survey...
Bernie Smith: Social housing commentator says people are misusing the housing system
31 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emergency housing may not be being used the way it's intended, with application rejections on the up. Data obtained by our newsroom shows applications...
Mike's Minute: The Govt hasn't followed through on cutting the public sector
29 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
It is with real enthusiasm that I see the Public Service Commissioner potentially doing what the main Government should have done two years ago. ...
Mark the Week: Where is the meeting with Putin?
28 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
At the end of each week, Mike Hosking takes you through the big-ticket items and lets you know what he makes of it all. New Zealand: 7/10...
Mike's Minute: I think the mood has shifted in NZ
28 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
I got a sense about something this week and it's not because it's about to be spring, although that will undoubtedly help. I got a sense this we...