Chloé Zhao on “Hamnet,” Which Is Nominated for Eight Academy Awards
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This is The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. Chloe Zhao was only the second woman to win an Oscar for Best Director. And that, of course, was for Nomadland, a 2020 film starring Frances McDormand as an itinerant worker living out of a camper and searching for work all over America. Zhao is up for Best Director yet again, and the film Hamnet on the surface is very different from her previous work. It takes place in England in the 16th century, where a young William Shakespeare and his wife Anne have to cope with the loss of their son. The film is based on a novel by Maggie O'Farrell, and Hamnet is nominated for Best Picture, along with Best Actress for Jesse Buckley and five other awards. Chloe Zhao talked about Hamnet when the film first came out with staff writer Michael Schulman.
So how did this book and how did this project make its way to you?
I was driving through New Mexico to Telluride Film Festival. And then that's when Amblin called me and told me about this project.
Amblin meaning?
Amblin Spielberg's production company. And when they said it over the phone, you know, the reception, they said, If you haven't been to the Four Corners, not great. So I was in and out, and they were saying, you know, it's about Shakespeare's wife and the death of their son. I just thought, there's so many things in that sentence that I have no personal connection to. So I said no. And then a few hours later, I met Paul Metzger for the first time. I didn't know who he was, because I'd not seen normal people before. His career has changed a lot in a short amount of time.
Yes.
But I sat next to the creek with him and I just felt something about him. You know, there's something about him. There's a simmering discomfort in him like an animal, you know, like a steppenwolf just wants to burst out. And that's why he creates. So the energy was really strong. And he's talking about, oh, I asked him, would you ever consider playing young Shakespeare?
Yeah.
And he said, wait, are you talking about Hamnet? I love the book so much. You have to read the book. It's not what you think it is. Please read the book.
So what about the book when you read it made you feel like you were the right person to do it? Were there details in the novel that really spoke to you?
When I read the book, I thought the internal landscape was so beautifully described. That usually I have to really get to know, say, Brady from the writer. I had to get to know him for such a long period of time. Would I understand his internal landscape? So then I can externalize it on screen. So the audience isn't just relying on him verbally, right? But Maggie already done that work for all the characters. So I thought that's my blueprint. And also there's a rhythm to the way she writes. It has a heartbeat to it that is very similar to mine. I found out later that her favorite filmmaker is Wong Kar-Wai, which is the person whose work that made me want to make films many, many years ago. So there was that similarity as well.
I mean, there's also an external landscape in the film that is so vivid. And you're a filmmaker who shoots the natural world beautifully. Anyone who's seen your first three features were all or in part set in the American West and South Dakota specifically. Hamnet is set in Elizabethan England and you shot in Wales and... Her for sure. I'm curious about what you got from that very different kind of natural landscape as you were thinking about the film.
The natural world, the reason why it has been such a big part of every film I've done is because... I can now, in my 40s, look back at my career and say, the reason why that is, is because I have always had a deep fear of death. And I think that drives my creativity. And when you're afraid to die, you are actually not able to live fully. And I know that deep inside. And now when the light goes off, you know, phone shuts off, I'm lying there. I know I'm not living my life fully.
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