One Refugee’s Journey Through ICE Detention
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Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour.
I'm Jonathan Blitzer. I'm a staff writer at The New Yorker. This is a special episode of our program today. I've covered immigration for more than a decade, and I think it's pretty clear that immigration is the defining political issue of our time, beyond all the other disruptions of the Trump administration. When Trump launched his 2016 campaign, he blamed Mexico for sending rapists, drug dealers, and criminals across the border. There was the Muslim ban, family separation, a whole host of radical actions. But the current term has made the first one seem almost quaint, trying to overturn birthright citizenship, racially profiling U.S. citizens, jailing tens of thousands of immigrants in appalling conditions.
And then there's been nearly two dozen shootings by immigration agents, at least six of them fatal to date. I could go on and on. The question of who has a right to be in the United States is absolutely central to our country right now. In the second part of this episode, I'm going to speak with a Democrat and a Republican in Congress about how voters are receiving Trump's immigration policies and how that may affect the midterms. But first, I'm going to tell you a story about a guy I met here in New York, a refugee from Guinea in West Africa. His name is Alsaini. Al-Saini was early in the process of applying for asylum in the United States when he walked into 26 Federal Plaza in June 2025. It's a big federal office building in lower Manhattan with an immigration court on the 12th floor.
This is the building where, you might have heard, an Army veteran started a fire last week as a protest against ICE. But Al-Saini was there a year ago. Al-Saini is his first name. He asked me not to use his last name.
At the beginning, I wasn't scared at all, because when I first went, there were a lot of people there. Everyone was busy with their own situation. So it wasn't nothing concerning to me.
He was doing exactly what someone in his situation is supposed to do. He was seeking asylum from persecution back home in Guinea and had been in the U.S. for a little over a year. He had a room in the Bronx and was learning his way around New York City. It was all new. And I'll say he didn't know what to make of some of the horror stories he was hearing about the Trump administration. But choosing to do things the right way, it gave him a sense of confidence.
Because I had not done anything wrong, there was no reason for anything bad to happen to me.
The meeting's short. The judge schedules another hearing so that Alsaini can begin gathering the evidence for his asylum application. And a few minutes later, he leaves the courtroom holding a document with the date when he's supposed to return. He's standing by the elevator when six agents come up to him.
They were not wearing proper uniforms, but they also had something written on its eyes. They had face masks. Right after I came out, then they grabbed me
Alseni's short and skinny, 5'5", with dark skin and short dreadlocks. He's 28 years old, and in June of 2025, he spoke next to no English, in many of our meetings and interpreters helping us out.
Alseni's short and skinny, 5'5", with dark skin and short dreadlocks.
I told them, no, I wasn't going to go with them because I had just seen the judge. So one of them actually grabbed my bag and said, if I don't come with them, they will do a bad thing to me.
This wasn't the first time Olseni had been accosted by government agents. He fled Guinea in 2023 after he was arrested at a political protest and beaten so badly that he suffered memory loss. In New York, when the ICE agents grabbed him, he was terrified.
So I was resisting at first, but they just pushed me inside the elevator and pinned me down and then put the handcuff on me.
You might have seen videos of people being arrested just like this at 26 Federal Plaza in New York.
This is one of the many hallways in lower Manhattan where masked immigration agents have been apprehending people outside of their routine immigration court check-ins.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–6:51
2
How did Alsaini end up entering immigration court and what happened there?
6:51–13:27
3
What did Alsaini experience when ICE agents arrested people at 26 Federal Plaza?
13:27–28:41
4
How did Alsaini describe conditions during the initial holding at the ICE field office?
28:41–35:01