548. Burnham vs. Westminster and Trump’s Next Target

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What is Andy Burnham's vision for a 'Number 10 North'?

Alastair Campbell 0:01
Does Andy Burnham want to win power only to give power away? On Monday, the man who will soon be Britain's prime minister set out his political and economic vision with devolution central to both, including a number 10 north and a warning to Whitehall not to block him. There was a lot of passion. There were big promises across a range of policy areas, including quite a lot that Rory and I have been calling for, which Andy Burnham summed up with the phrase good growth.
in every postcode and hope in every heart.
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Alastair Campbell 1:47
Welcome to The Restless Politics with me, Rory Stewart. And me, Alastair Campbell. And we're going to talk about Andy Burnham's big speech on Monday and what it says about the pending Burnham premiership. And in the second half, we're going to be talking about a series of very interesting elections across Latin America. So Rory, Andy Burnham.
Rory Stewart 2:04
Andy Burnham, Mayor of Greater Manchester, is now almost certain to be our next Prime Minister. In fact, I would say certain to be our next Prime Minister, barring something really weird happening. Keir Starmer will step down. Andy Burnham will take over. What's the rough timetable on that, just to sort of bring people back to the basics?
Alastair Campbell 2:19
Well, he'll be in there before the end of July, sort of third week of July, he'll be prime minister. Because had there been a challenge, there would have been a leadership contest within the Labour Party, and then it would have probably dragged on to just before Labour Party conference in September.

How does Andy Burnham's strategy differ from previous leaders?

Alastair Campbell 2:33
So yeah, he's going to be prime minister by the end of the month.
Rory Stewart 2:36
And yesterday, I had lunch with the Palestinian ambassador, Hussein Zimrot, who we interviewed, and he pointed out, I think that he's been in Britain seven years and has so far known six prime ministers. We're going to try again. And I suppose that's probably the starting point, isn't it? Every one of these people will have gone through something pretty similar, I guess. Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak, Keir Starmer. All of them came into a country where a lot of people were pretty cross. And all of them will have tried to get their advices together and said, what are we going to do? to sort out Britain. And I think there are probably two things he's thinking about. One of them is how genuinely to make Britain better.
Rory Stewart 3:19
And the second thing, which is necessary, which is how do you win an election? And most of them probably arrived at a very, very similar understanding of what was wrong with Britain. Cost of living, housing too expensive, people frustrated and angry about immigration. and a real sense that public services were creaking and things weren't really working. So what do you do about it? Now, if you're Boris Johnson, the answer was levelling up. So pumping quite a lot of money into the north of England. And we can talk about that a little bit, because actually some figures have come out. And actually, rather surprisingly, for those who were sceptical of it, a loss of money went in.

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