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The Tony Kornheiser Show

“At Their Whim”

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: Why did Tony choose to watch the Nats game over the NBA Draft?

0.031 - 13.107 Tony Kornheiser

Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will talk to Brian Windhorst about the NBA draft and also about the big trade between the Bucs and the Heat. And we'll talk about the World Cup with Chuck Culpepper. But first, commerce.

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13.127 - 15.694 Doug Ferguson

Previously on the Tony Kornhauser Show.

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16.957 - 39.629 Tony Kornheiser

On the 18th fairway, he had already hit his second shot onto the green. His caddy went to the side of the ropes where the kid's father was. The kid's father put on the bib and carried the bag. Just a great honor. It was just wonderful. Carried the bag all the way to 18. Although the kid didn't talk to him. Right, Michael? It seemed like the kid didn't talk to him.

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39.649 - 40.63 Doug Ferguson

Got to try to post a number.

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41.051 - 41.952 Tony Kornheiser

You know, yeah.

43.805 - 49.453 Doug Ferguson

This is General George Washington, and you're listening to The Tony Kornheiser Show.

50.074 - 52.056 Tony Kornheiser

And we are complete today. Michael is back.

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The two rules of caddying.

54.7 - 59.386 Tony Kornheiser

Show up, shut up. Yeah. Yeah. Show up, shut up. Yeah, those are the rules. Sure. Makes sense.

Chapter 2: How does Tony feel about the recent MLB game he watched?

386.3 - 412.334 Tony Kornheiser

This is worse. No question this is worse. It's at home against a division rival. Game two of a four-game series. This is worse. They had this game in the bag. They made a great comeback in the bottom of the eighth. They gave up 10 runs in the last two innings. Is that what, that's what it is, right? 10 runs. It's terrible. Absolutely terrible. And thrilling. 11. Yeah, do the math.

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413.196 - 418.704 Tony Kornheiser

And absolutely thrilling at the same time. So glad I watched it. Didn't watch any of the NBA draft.

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Because again, with the number three pick, so what? It's one of those games, 12 hours later, you're sort of, you know, it's crippling. You're sort of laughing at it. It's so hard to believe. I'm on the text chain. I'm the only one on. At one point I write, am I the only one watching this game?

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431.983 - 432.965 Tony Kornheiser

Am I talking to myself?

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Do you know where I was? So after the Phillies take the lead, we're downstairs. I leave the house. I just start walking the neighborhood. And then I'm following on game day as my light as I'm walking up and down the street. And they get the lead back. So I have to now stay outside until the game goes final. Yeah.

452.433 - 459.401 Michael Wilbon

Yeah. And I'm just looking through the Phillies lineup. It's the best everyday lineup in the league. They score 14 runs and one of the best, maybe the best power hitter.

459.421 - 464.227 Tony Kornheiser

Harper had nothing. Harper had nothing. And Schwarber didn't play. Schwarber did not play. Schwarber was on pace for 61 home runs.

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It's hurt. And Harper did nothing. Now, put this in perspective. Since the first couple weeks, the Phillies have been the best team in baseball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Since they got Don Mattingly. Yeah. But you can never expect to win this game. Not at all.

474.86 - 478.167 Tony Kornheiser

It's an unlosable game for the Nats. It's unlosable.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of Brendan Sorsby's situation in the NFL?

1633.886 - 1638.654 Tony Kornheiser

They have to trade John Moran, don't they? They have to get rid of him, don't they?

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1638.674 - 1656.145 Brian Windhorst

Does anyone want him? I would love to be able to 100% say that I think he'll never show up in a Grizzlies jersey again. I think that's likely, but it's the NBA. There's reconciliation. Things change. There's a... But I think we've seen the last of him in Memphis, yes.

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1656.565 - 1668.177 Tony Kornheiser

So I've got to do the show today, and Wilbon's going to insist that all we do, even though you're going to be the guest, Wilbon's going to insist that we go wall-to-wall with the draft because it's the most important thing in the history. The second round, he doesn't want to analyze the second round.

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1668.197 - 1687.362 Tony Kornheiser

No, no, he wants to go back to the first round and then do picks for the second round on the Wilbon rookie index chart and all of that. But at least he'll just sort of wallow in Caleb Wilson, right? I mean, he'll be able to do that. He should. Is there a headline to you from the draft? Is there a headline?

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1687.803 - 1708.842 Brian Windhorst

Well, so I actually – the headline is that the Wizards chose to bantha, and it's a big, giant, huge decision that could potentially define the franchise for the next 10 to 15 years. Is that enough to – Uh, I talked, you know, it's not, the draft is not my profession, but, you know, I obviously spent the last week preparing for it.

1709.262 - 1724.322 Brian Windhorst

And I talked to like super experienced scouts that I trust and know and have great track records. And they won't, one guy will make a compelling case for DeBansa. And then you'll turn to the guy sitting next to him. He's got the same resume and the guy will make a compelling case for Peterson.

1724.302 - 1736.156 Tony Kornheiser

Yes, and Jay Billis on our show yesterday said that Carlos Boozer is the best basketball player and Caleb Wilson has the most upside. So how do you know, right? How do you know?

1737.377 - 1765.423 Brian Windhorst

Yeah, so I think this went the way that I would have gone if I was doing it. I think the banter is a little bit safer, but a little bit less upside potentially. And Peterson could end up being an MVP, Tony. But they're on the pie chart of possibilities that could happen. I think there's a Ben Simmons slice on there.

1765.804 - 1774.696 Tony Kornheiser

For him? For Peterson? Yeah. Billis said of Peterson, he could lead the league in scoring immediately. He cannot be stopped. He's that good.

Chapter 4: What insights does Brian Windhorst share about the NBA Draft?

2167.817 - 2201.007 Chuck Culpepper

And those who have left tell these stories about, say, for example... as they were kids, day-long ventures to do the laundry involving two-hour walks to find a place that has water and then drying the clothes on the rocks and then coming back. And that story, just as an example, sort of tells us the hardship at times through history of living there and the people who

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2202.016 - 2218.245 Chuck Culpepper

hail from there, whose parents or grandparents come from there, have great fondness for the land and for the country, but often go away to, say, The Netherlands or the U.S., New England, mostly.

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2218.265 - 2238.775 Tony Kornheiser

This is, yeah, this is, so I'm having this conversation in PTI, and, you know, before we go down to the set, and Wilbon says, everybody from Cape Verde comes to America, they all settle in Boston. I go, what? And he says, no, it's true. And Chuck, you're going to tell me it's true, right? They're all in Boston. Why?

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2239.076 - 2264.411 Chuck Culpepper

I was about 10 years ago, I was having a conversation with someone from there, whose family had settled in Boston. And I never thought to ask sort of what, you know, it didn't seem to make sense to me. But again, here's something that I learned doing the story, which is that it all has its origins, say, in the 19th century in the whaling industry.

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2264.551 - 2265.012 Tony Kornheiser

Okay.

2265.673 - 2300.957 Chuck Culpepper

And out on the seas, the whaling ships from New England, especially New Bedford, Massachusetts. started bringing people from Cape Verde to the U.S., and there's a whaling museum, fantastic place in New Bedford. And, of course, the last whaling ship left and came back around 1925, so we don't do that anymore. It's still a major fishing port. But, you know, it caused and led to

2301.781 - 2324.373 Chuck Culpepper

You know, when I was there a few weeks ago, they had a fashion show to welcome the team, a friendly match with Bermuda in Hartford. They had a full stadium welcoming the team with just a ceremony that was in Pawtucket. And it's all up there. And it's quite a story of how it got there.

2324.753 - 2336.85 Tony Kornheiser

Do they have... A national stadium in Cape Verde is how it's pronounced. Do they have a national stadium there? You said they have a league there. Do they have like a big stadium?

2337.671 - 2365.189 Chuck Culpepper

They do. They do. And, you know, they qualified last October and they won their group. They won their qualifying group. Cameroon, which has a great soccer history, you know, quarterfinals in the 1990 World Cup in Italy. Cameroon finished second in that group behind this tiny country. And they do have a stadium there and in the capital, Praia, and others, too.

Chapter 5: How did the trade between the Bucks and Heat impact the NBA landscape?

2480.504 - 2484.108 Chuck Culpepper

It's just it defies description or belief.

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2484.128 - 2500.909 Tony Kornheiser

Are you a soccer fan? Because, I mean, I'm not. Oh, you are. Did you play as a kid? Are you not a soccer poet, though? You're not going to tell me how stupid I am because I don't appreciate the beautiful game. You're not going to do that, are you?

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2502.07 - 2505.214 Chuck Culpepper

No, I don't believe in being one of those.

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2507.256 - 2511.562 Tony Kornheiser

Subaru driving a lot of people. I don't like them.

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2511.582 - 2529.37 Chuck Culpepper

Go ahead. I didn't know that much about it, but I moved to the UK in 2006. And then I started learning things such as that when a match is listed, the home side is listed first. You know how we say... I don't know, what do we say, like Buffalo at New England?

2529.49 - 2532.053 Tony Kornheiser

Yeah, the home side's always second with us. Always.

2532.333 - 2561.391 Chuck Culpepper

Yeah, so I was about to go to the wrong town when I started off there. And then I steadily kind of learned things about it and some of the language. I feel I don't follow it as well as I should because, for example, if you follow college football and then try to watch the English Premier League on the same Saturday, you're you tend to be up from 6 a.m. to 4 in the morning or something like that.

2561.532 - 2564.976 Chuck Culpepper

So I don't do as well as I'd like, but I really love it.

2566.118 - 2572.486 Tony Kornheiser

Will you move on if they don't? What's the next assignment? Are you going to be with the World Cup the whole way through?

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