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"Assisted Dying is Monetising Death" — Kelsi Sheren

23 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What alarming statistics are presented about assisted dying in Canada?

2.14 - 16.327 Kelsi Sheren

By the end of this calendar year of 2026, we're gonna get 110,000 people we've killed. It's eugenics. It's a eugenics program where you basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system.

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16.608 - 28.758 Kelsi Sheren

We have doctors who have killed over 1,000 people in our country who are making over $860,000 killing over 1,000 people. That's not an incentive? You're out of your mind. I decided to call said funeral home, and I made a video about it.

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Chapter 2: How is assisted dying related to eugenics and societal burdens?

29.078 - 50.562 Kelsi Sheren

This took a total of two minutes for me to organize a killing in a funeral home. I can order pizza at the same time I just ordered that. You have significant amount of cases that need to be addressed where individuals are being coerced by their loved ones. He planned for a maid death for her. She did not want it. The police had to step in. So this is what I'm saying.

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50.602 - 52.425 Unknown

There's kind of a word for that, right?

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52.445 - 53.747 Kelsi Sheren

We call it coercion and murder.

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56.36 - 58.144 Konstantin Kisin

Kelsey Shirin, welcome back to Trigonometry.

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58.304 - 58.645 Kelsi Sheren

Hi, guys.

59.046 - 66.262 Konstantin Kisin

It's good to have you on. You're here for a third time now. Last time, we had a conversation about MAID, which is assisted dying, basically.

66.924 - 67.244 Kelsi Sheren

Kind of.

67.385 - 76.884 Konstantin Kisin

We'll argue about it later. Okay. But that conversation... got huge views because I think it's something that a lot of people are really thinking about.

Chapter 3: What are the financial incentives behind the practice of MAID?

77.324 - 97.858 Konstantin Kisin

And what we talked about it then in the context of Canada, but what I think we've actually seen since then is that this is moving to other parts of the world in America, in the UK, assisted dying has been a big conversation. So just let's reset and tell the story from the beginning. What is happening with assisted dying around the world now?

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98.058 - 124.07 Kelsi Sheren

Okay, so we have to start changing the verbiage around what this is, because when you start to... What's a great word for this? When you start to soften language and you start to say what it is, when you use the word termade, it sounds very fluffy and very light and very peaceful and, you know, all of the dying with dignity. It's not. It's none of that. It's eugenics. It's a eugenics program.

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124.731 - 126.613 Konstantin Kisin

And there's a... But define eugenics?

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126.593 - 142.948 Kelsi Sheren

I mean, great question. There's a technical term, and then there's the terminology where you basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system. That's just a really plain-based way to put it.

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142.928 - 162.913 Kelsi Sheren

when you cost the government a lot of money, when you cost society a lot of money, when you're basically not an everyday well-rounded person, somebody with ALS, somebody with Down syndrome, somebody with spinal bifida, somebody who's a quadriplegic like a friend of mine in a wheelchair, a friend of mine who has a degenerative disorder gets offered mate every day, he's in a hospital.

163.373 - 171.163 Kelsi Sheren

So it's less about what does the UN call it and what does it actually mean for a society?

171.143 - 183.609 Konstantin Kisin

So your claim is these programs are designed to weed out and kill people who are inconvenient to the government, to society, because they consume too many resources.

183.729 - 188.399 Kelsi Sheren

Absolutely. And they're just not what society wants as a whole because they become a burden.

188.76 - 189 Konstantin Kisin

Right.

Chapter 4: How does language influence perceptions of assisted dying?

222.075 - 237.678 Kelsi Sheren

So we're already suggesting that. That's very, very open topic. It's been in the media now for the past few weeks. The subject has exploded in the past couple months, thank God. So essentially what has happened since we spoke and prior to when we spoke is Canada has been not the first ones to do this.

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237.758 - 248.893 Kelsi Sheren

This is Canada's just following along the Netherlands, following along Belgium, following other countries. The only difference is in some of those other countries, they're already killing children, right? They're already killing kids with Down syndrome and these types of things.

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248.973 - 268.617 Kelsi Sheren

Now, Canada has adopted this model in 2016, when in 2015, the Carter versus Canada case came forward against the Supreme Court. She challenged the right to be able to die with her doctor's assistance. Now, there's a difference between physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia, which is what Canada 99.9% of the time does.

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268.597 - 269.378 Konstantin Kisin

And what's the difference?

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269.498 - 293.912 Kelsi Sheren

Okay, so MAID, in terms of what we classify it as, is when you have two assessors, two different crazy psychopaths, because that's exactly how I define them, and they will go in and meet with you with up to 105 minutes of an assessment where they will deem whether you are psychologically stable enough to be making the cognitive and clear decision to end your life. Okay? Two different ones. Now...

293.892 - 312.426 Kelsi Sheren

Each one of those is able to bill, and I'll come back to this, is able to bill between $200 and $300 for that. They bill $50 per every 15 minutes for that assessment. Money matters here. Now, after the two assessments are done, if the approve is done, then you go to the doctor that's actually going to poison you to death and euthanize you.

312.826 - 333.964 Kelsi Sheren

That doctor gets to charge anywhere up, I think it's around $347 up to $500, depending on their specialty, okay? So now, roughly, if you do one assessment, because you have to have different assessors, you do one assessment plus... One of the actual, they call it a procedure. I can't call it. It's medical murder. So it's one assesses, another assesses.

334.004 - 352.249 Kelsi Sheren

You can be the person who kills as well there. So now if you then charge for the medication as well, which is $147 under the billing code, you're making roughly about $830 per patient that you're able to bill for, that you're able to legally kill. And in the FBI definable term of a serial killer, it's two separate incidences back to back.

352.83 - 368.922 Kelsi Sheren

We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000 killing over a thousand people. That's not an incentive? You're out of your mind. Now let's forget the savings of the government. That's just one doctor, okay? So that's how we normally do it.

Chapter 5: What are the differences between physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia?

965.667 - 978.748 Kelsi Sheren

Okay. So the double blind is essentially where if you're in a palliative care facility or a hospice where you are on your way out, we already know you're going to pass. They'll go to you and they'll say, and I've had several nurses and doctors and say, can I do it all the time? Okay.

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979.034 - 994.595 Kelsi Sheren

They'll go to you and say, so-and-so is exhibiting more and more physical pain. And we obviously don't want that. So let me be very clear. I don't want anyone to be in that kind of pain. That being said, I want people to have actual free will and consent and understanding as to what they are doing.

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994.855 - 1011.218 Kelsi Sheren

And most do not because this program has been highlighted as some beautiful way to end grandma's life. And it's such bullshit. And I'm so tired of it. The double blind looks like this. Constantine, Frances, grandma's over there suffering. We're gonna increase her morphine, okay?

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1011.779 - 1029.218 Kelsi Sheren

We're gonna increase her morphine so much that there's a good chance her heart rate's gonna slow and her breathing's gonna get more shallow. And as we kind of do that, there's a good chance she's gonna go into cardiac failure or arrest or she's just gonna stop breathing. We're not going to intervene at that point if you guys suggest we don't.

1029.598 - 1050.267 Kelsi Sheren

We want her to be comfortable, and she will pass almost like an overdose. And then we'll wait, and then we'll check her pulse, and then we'll declare a death. Okay? Why can't we do that? Why can't we do that? Why? Why? Why not? Oh, it's because Health Canada has decided that we should defund palliative care facilities and hospices if you refuse to do MAID in them.

1050.803 - 1070.152 Kelsi Sheren

Delta Hospice Society, 30 minutes from me, okay? Angelina Ireland, she spoke on a bunch of shows about it. She was an actual palliative care patient with like a terminal illness in this facility. Got better. There's the key right there. Got better. Healed from something we don't heal from. Came out and decided, I'm gonna run this place because I can run it better. And did.

1070.833 - 1089.302 Kelsi Sheren

And then when Health Canada came to her and said, you need to start providing MAID, she said, no, on religious grounds, which is supposed to be legal in Canada. But now people are suing hospitals, Catholic and Christian and Jewish facilities, saying, if you don't do MAID, we're coming after you. And so they pulled her funding to the tune of like over $20 million. And she lost the facility.

1089.643 - 1097.095 Konstantin Kisin

So the difference between increasing the morphine... Yes, and passing away. You're pro that.

Chapter 6: What ethical dilemmas arise when discussing MAID and mental illness?

1365.32 - 1380.822 Kelsi Sheren

We know, I talked to Joel Zivitt about this a couple weeks ago. I said, so what's the deal with the lungs then, right? Because lungs are an expensive part of the body. Is this shutting down the rest? He goes, you know, there are machines, he goes, there are machines that you put the lungs into right away that will help re-heal them, and then you put them into somebody, right?

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1381.343 - 1392.582 Kelsi Sheren

Okay, but the liver's still great. The kidneys are still great. The eyes are still great. The skin's still great. All the other organs are very functional, right? Do we think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden hearts started going from Canada down to America out of nowhere?

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1393.104 - 1414.186 Kelsi Sheren

Do we think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden organs in terms of donations are skyrocketing in British Columbia at all? No, it's not, because B.C. is one of the highest maid rates in the country. So it goes Quebec, Ontario, B.C., What correlates all of those? Har left liberal voters who are all white, who are all elderly. Median age is roughly around 70, a little bit higher.

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1414.848 - 1425.229 Kelsi Sheren

But that's only because we only allowed it for track one for so long. And now we've moved on to track two. So here's my other argument, right? I agree with you. If somebody is suffering, they should have the right to die. I'm not discounting that.

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1426.728 - 1450.12 Kelsi Sheren

But it isn't healthcare or free will, okay, if the only option for healing and passing away is made and not palliative care, not hospice, not actual cancer treatment, not sitting on a wait list to the tune of 23,000 people a year dying and over half a million walking out of ERs. Is that actual healthcare if you can't see a surgeon within an acceptable amount of time to stop the cancer?

1450.1 - 1466.818 Kelsi Sheren

Is it free will when you don't fully understand how the system works? Because here's the thing about CanMap. They're a charity, right? So Health Canada came in and bought the protocol, the IP, to how the MAID doctors are educated and trained in the country. But they won't show it to us, even though the taxpayers paid for it.

1467.219 - 1481.317 Kelsi Sheren

So we don't know what's being taught to our doctors at the College of Physicians. We don't know what the protocol is. We don't know how they're assessing. We do know they have a closed conference that happens once a year. There's one coming up at the end of April in Montreal. where they all sit around and talk about how they're going to expand the option to die.

1482.279 - 1502.567 Kelsi Sheren

So if it was truly, if it was truly, and I mean this genuinely, grandma is suffering, we'd be having a very different conversation right now. Because when I first started this work, I was the same way you are. I have a 30% higher chance of dementia and Alzheimer's due to my head injury. A lot of us do. Food factors, lifestyle, all of it, but just from blast exposure, right? Just take that.

1503.168 - 1522.596 Kelsi Sheren

I know cognitively there's an option where at a certain point I might want to check out. I am very okay with that idea. I've been suicidal for 10 years. You've heard my story before. But here's the thing. Why didn't it stop there? Why hasn't it stopped there across the globe? Why are we killing kids in Europe?

Chapter 7: How does the conversation around assisted dying reflect societal values?

1599.744 - 1617.57 Kelsi Sheren

He's been diabetic his whole life. So then if diabetes is so hard to die from, why was he not euthanized at six? It was such a problem, right? Mental health, other factors started coming in. Seasonal depression coming in. If you live in Vancouver, you're always depressed. So I get it. But the real truth is he was type one diabetic with seasonal depression, okay?

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Chapter 8: What future implications does the guest foresee for assisted dying laws?

1617.931 - 1625.282 Kelsi Sheren

And he was euthanized. when he had a mental health background that was already problematic.

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1626.564 - 1627.565 Konstantin Kisin

Did he request it?

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1628.306 - 1644.57 Kelsi Sheren

Yes, he did. He did request it. Over the age of 18, you can request it, right? But that's not the point that matters. The point that matters is he wasn't being given proper treatment, proper health care, a proper protocol, and a support network that is supposed to be the gold standard of the world.

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1645.141 - 1663.024 Kelsi Sheren

And the first thing they gave him, and the reason he wasn't killed in 2022 is because his mother went to the media and the doctor freaked out. So if you believe in your heart of hearts as one of these doctors that what you're doing is helping people, why would you stop them? Why'd you stop? Why'd you pull back if we exposed your name? Because you know deep down what you're doing is wrong.

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1663.725 - 1682.138 Kelsi Sheren

Or at least you had some moral and you just didn't want to be judged for it. So Dr. Tepper said, nope, I'm not doing it, okay? 2025 comes around and here's your problem in Canada. You can doctor shop. And you can definitely do it in the States. We'll talk about that too. But you can doctor shop. So if you can't find two assessors in Ontario to do it, you can definitely find them somewhere else.

1682.258 - 1695.036 Kelsi Sheren

And if you come to BC, Ellen Wiebe is just waiting for you. So we know that. So if it's the fact that somebody needs to die and is actually terminal, you shouldn't have to doctor shop your way to convince somebody that you should be qualifying. You just shouldn't.

1695.376 - 1715.049 Kelsi Sheren

And also, if you have a mental health background, whether it's depression or bipolar or schizophrenia or PTSD or any of these, this should just stop you right off the bat. And you should be assessed by a psychiatrist, a psychologist, but that's not who does the assessments. It's a GP or a nurse practitioner. It's not a trained psychotherapist to look at the background, right?

1715.49 - 1732.72 Kelsi Sheren

And so here's how it happened. He found out he doctor shopped himself to Dr. Alan Wiebe out of the Willow Clinic in Vancouver. It's very known. Everybody's... She's been all over the National Post. She brags about it all the time. It's the best work I've ever done. She talked to Liz Carr in the UK about it in the BBC doc. And it was terrifying. I love killing. It's the best work I've ever done.

1732.98 - 1751.362 Kelsi Sheren

I mean, she's been doing abortions for 40 years. So like all she does is kill. And I did the math on that. She's made millions of dollars of ending lives for 40 years. OK, this is like her own words, very verifiable public documentation, not saying anything that's not already out there. And she's like in her 70s. And she goes, I'll never stop. It's the greatest work I've ever done.

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