Ep 992 | Jase Opens Up About Being a Mean Kid (It Was All Willie’s Fault) & Zach’s New Podcast
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Why does Jase think he was the mean one as a kid?
Well, you know what? Here's why, though, Jace, because you had the power. If I remember childhood correctly, you had the power. You were the alpha. You were the mean one. You were the one that. Like you had the, I remember you were the one that everybody was kind of, we were afraid of.
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But I was not mean. Ah. Well. I don't know if I'd say that.
It's kind of like. Jay's, they have childhood trauma Christmas things going on, the Dashers.
Well, it's kind of like Si. He all the time says I'm negative. And let me tell you what that means. That means I don't agree with him. So he's like, well, you're just being negative. I'm like, no, I'm saying you're wrong. And so, look, you know how tough it was down there. My parents were trying to work out a way to put food on the table, and they kind of let the boys run wild. We had very few rules. As young men, we had to work it out. And the only reason I earned that title is because I would, you know, come out on top in various fights. And cause it was always seemed like we all were the closest though.
That's why you fought the most.
Yeah.
And you were a couple of years older, which is always a big deal. Yeah. It was kind of funny when we had, uh, Edward Graham on, cause he was the youngest in the Graham family, but then he finally got really big and strong and he wound up whipping his older brother. And that kind of changed the dynamic. It sounded like.
Well, yeah, I just wasn't bluffing.
Yeah, but I think with y'all, there's actually a guy I've been reading a bunch lately whose name is Rene Girard. I mentioned him on the podcast before, but he has this concept that he came up with called the scapegoat mechanism. The scapegoat mechanism. You're getting deep early. This is deep. But I'm telling you, this is going to explain my childhood to you.
And by the way, the scapegoat is a biblical notion. It's founded.
Well, honestly, he got to the end of his philosophy. And at the end of it, he came to know Christ because he had a he got cancer and. and he had this existential crisis where he thought he was going to die. And he had this encounter with Christ. And he's like, wait, all my philosophy that I've developed is pointing to the ultimate scapegoat, which was Christ. And that actually was the conclusion that he came to, but in the end, but the idea is that societies or people like they, like they inevitably have a conflict, like you can't avoid conflict because we all mimic each other's desires. And so, you have two kids and they want the same toy. And so they, they, you basically fight to the death to get the humans are the only species that he says will consistently fight to the death. Typically like with two bucks go at it or two lions or whatever, they'll go, they'll fight until one proves their dominance. And then it's settled. Humans are different that will fight to the death.
And so he said, what happens in society is at some point in the, in the, whatever the process, and I don't agree with everything he said, but this is kind of interesting. He said, these societies break out, wars break out because they want, we want the same thing and we can't both have it. So we fight.
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