The Future of Ukraine ... and a US Consumer Agency. More on Black Hawk Crash
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What is the main topic of this episode?
World leaders meet in Munich to discuss the fate of Ukraine.
Now that President Trump has abruptly changed U.S. foreign policy toward that country's war with Russia.
I'm Ayesha Roscoe.
And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up First from NPR News. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky calls for security guarantees in any peace agreement.
Right now, Ukraine's army, supported by global aid, thank you so much, is holding back Russia. But if not us, then who will stop them? We'll have more on that.
Plus, a tumultuous week at a federal consumer protection agency.
How has President Trump changed U.S. policy towards Ukraine?
And more on last month's fatal plane crash outside of Washington, D.C.
So stay with us. We have the news you need to start your weekend.
President Trump has called for a speedy end to Russia's war in Ukraine.
And is pressing Zelensky for concessions.
NPR's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kakisis joins us from Kyiv. Joanna, thanks for being with us.
Thanks for having me, Scott.
And this has been a very important few days, the Security Conference in Munich, hasn't it, for Ukraine?
Yeah. Scott, it's given Zelensky an opportunity to publicly advocate for his country, surrounded by European allies who want to see Ukraine in the strongest possible position going into any negotiations to end the war. And Scott, this is important because the U.S., Ukraine's strongest single ally, is now speaking directly to Russia, the country that invaded Ukraine and continues to attack it. President Trump says he plans to visit Russia. His Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has poured cold water on two of Ukraine's most important goals, joining NATO and getting back all of its territory occupied by Russia. And these developments have really unsettled Ukrainians. I've spoken to many who say they feel like the U.S., the country they most admire for its democratic values, is betraying them.
And what's President Zelensky's response been?
Well, Zelenskyy admitted that he has a lot of work to do to convince President Trump and his team that Russia is dangerous. Speaking in Munich today, Zelenskyy said he will not give up pushing for Ukraine to join NATO. He sees this Western alliance as Ukraine's strongest security guarantee against Russia, though he did question why NATO is so cautious around Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Right now, the most influential member of NATO seems to be Putin. because his whims have the power to block NATO decisions. And that's despite the fact that it was Ukraine's army that stopped Russia, not a NATO country.
Now, the U.S. and other NATO member states are cautious about Moscow because they don't want this war to escalate. Russia is indeed a nuclear power. So Zelensky has tried to use the moment as a call for unity in Europe.
And why is unity in Europe such an important theme for Mr. Zelensky?
Well, you know, Ukraine is in talks to be a European Union member state. Zelensky wants to tie the EU's fate with Ukraine's, reminding Europeans that it's Ukraine's army that's holding back Russian troops from further aggression into Europe. And he told them, look, Russia takes advantage of perceived weakness and Europeans must be strong and united. Zelensky echoed President Trump's call for Europe to take the lead in its own security.
Europe must decide its own future. We need confidence in our own friends so that others have no choice but to respect Europe's power. And without the European army, that is impossible.
Now, European army is not something that can be pulled together very quickly, of course. And, you know, negotiations are moving very quickly. Talks about how to end this war, this three-year war set to continue next week when the U.S. special envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, is expected in Ukraine.
And here's Joanna Kakisis in Kiev. Joanna, thanks so much for being with us.
You're welcome, Scott.
The Trump administration continues its efforts to shrink the federal workforce.
This past week, it has taken aim at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
That's an agency set up after the 2008 financial crisis to make sure banks stick to rules about credit cards, home loans, and other forms of debt.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic of this episode?
0:02–0:41
2
How has President Trump changed U.S. policy towards Ukraine?
0:41–5:48
3
What are the challenges faced by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?
5:48–11:15
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How is Ukraine seeking support from Europe?
11:15–12:17
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What is the significance of the Munich Security Conference for Ukraine?
12:17–13:29
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