Andrea Dunlop

And then this person's a good human being who would never do this horrible thing.

Then we get into these sort of biases where if somebody is, you know, and I look at these

narratives about these parents that claim to be falsely accused that were just, there is no evidence they were falsely accused.

And they say these things like, well, this person, you know, they give examples of that person being a good dad or that person, you know, is the baseball coach or they're a paramedic or they're sort of this other upstanding person in this way.

They're a homeowner, you know, sort of these things of like, well, how could that person be the same person who abused a child so bad they ended up in the hospital?

Well, that

But that is the same person who does those things because people are so multifaceted.

And I think, you know, it is a little different with munchausen by proxy perpetrators because eventually their entire lives become sort of consumed by the lie and there sort of isn't anything more than a mask eventually.

So I do think there is like –

It is a little different, but it also like, you know, I think about the perpetrators that we've covered and, you know, it's I think you had you were sort of speaking to this with some of the stuff with Emily where like they were offering comfort to people who were going through that.

And those experiences for those people were real.

Yeah.

And so it's like, can you say they never did anything good?

She was raising money for a cancer charity that was legit.

And hopefully, obviously, that's horrible that that cancer charity had to go give refunds.

I think if I was a person that donated to a legitimate cancer charity because I got a sob story, even if the sob story wasn't real, I'd be like, well, it still goes to kids.

Please take the money.

I don't think I'd be the person asking.

Same, same.

Yeah, I don't think I'd be the person asking for my refund.