Barbara Dreaver

And when it doesn't, then I also have an issue.

I'm not necessarily pro-Pacific.

I'm pro-giving Pacific voices.

But if there's some bad injustice going on, I'm going to expose it in the Pacific as well.

But what I do think is really important is that respect.

And I think New Zealand does really...

really well you know Petra I was in Solomon Islands for the conflict and it was pretty dangerous times and but I wore a hat with a kiwi on it and people would say kiwi kiwi kiwi and it was because New Zealanders were so well respected better than if I was wearing a kangaroo on my hat list

Just say that at that time.

At that time.

So it was really important that I do that.

And also, yeah, I'm proud of being a New Zealander as well.

My dad's a Kiwi.

My mum's a Pacific Islander.

I'm proud of both sides.

And I've got...

conflict at times and corruption at times and difficulty at times but it is yes and yes and New Zealand and the Pacific that's absolutely right and I believe that if we don't expose things no matter how difficult it is if we don't uncover that ugliness and confront it or then nothing changes and

So you've built your life and career on this.

One of my, well there's two really but one of them was in Niue and there was a logging company which, a Malaysian logging company which was going to log all their, and they'd promised to replant and it was going to be a big thing and

And the locals, it was a very small population, were pretty upset about it.

But nothing was much known about this company.