Bob Kagan

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The Bulwark Daily · Robert Kagan: A Total and Complete Shutdown of Trump · 27 May 2026 podcast

I mean, I don't know how to interpret the fact that he backed away, you know, when he was saying we have a deal and then he said maybe we're going to take our time.

And people took that as a response to the hawks complaining.

I took it as a response to the fact that the Iranians were not giving him anything, even the fig leaf that he wanted.

And the problem was he hadn't actually nailed down the Iranians.

So I guess I feel like mostly...

He's not going to pay attention.

He's going to start to run against the hawks, I believe.

You know, we're at the very beginning, by the way, of a real shift in policy by the administration.

I think, you know, that's sort of the next step.

And that shift is going to turn in against Israel.

for instance.

And that'll be interesting to see how people who've been so pro-Israel throughout this process and have been so pro the war because of Israel, what will their response be when it becomes clear that Trump is really turning against Israel?

And obviously, I think MAGA will follow him.

Whether he's denouncing Israel is one thing.

I don't know.

I don't expect him to denounce Israel.

The defense of Israel is too much in the blood of this sort of administration right now.

I don't think he can just do that.

But if you just look at the way he's treating Netanyahu and Israel, I think that's the biggest picture.

They've been excluded from these negotiations, even though they are the most vitally concerned with how this agreement comes out.

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