C. Thi Nguyen

And one way, place you can take this is to think that every scoring system also serves an interest, right?

Every scoring system is there to guide us to a particular kind of action.

And the first thing we need to say, and I should have said this a long time ago, is here's something crucial thinking about games.

To think about games, you have to understand that there's a difference between a goal and a purpose.

So the goal of the game is what you're doing during the game.

And the purpose of the game is why you play the game.

For example, the goal of Twister is not to fall over.

The purpose is to have fun.

And you can tell that those are different because you can lose Twister and have a great time and your time was well spent, right?

Does that make sense?

So big reason.

So, I mean, I think,

For some people who play, there's no difference in goal and purpose.

And those are people who only care about winning.

If your goal is to win, then the goal and the purpose are the same.

But for a lot of us, the goal and purpose are completely different, right?

In fly fishing, my goal is to catch fish.

My purpose is, I think, to zen out on the river and like...

clear all thoughts from my head and have like a completely non-conceptual relationship with nature where like my senses all tune up, right?

Like I, so same thing with climbing, right?