Caleb Hartley

And then eventually, once we realized we could beat the ticketing market, we realized that's the way that we can attack this chicken and egg situation.

So that just becomes so much easier.

So really, it's just kind of about showing up every day.

It's good when you have a co-founder.

Uh, especially one that, you know, you can value and trust because there are days when, you know, I'm down and I don't know that really moving forward is, uh, in certain directions will be the right thing.

But then he says, Hey, you know, I just finished this feature and then I get a new idea and then we just keep bouncing off each other and going.

So we've been doing that for a couple of years now.

So you kind of just keep going.

You keep your head down.

You know, you get a lot of no's, but that just means you pivot your business model so you can fit the market better.

And if I could add one last thing, the network.

I mean, you always have to keep building your network, right?

I mean, we we got here because we worked really hard.

But then also you have to keep going out.

You have to keep talking to investors.

You have to keep meeting people.

And then you keep finding other businesses that are startups that are also working towards that same end.

I mean, we've been able to collaborate.

even you know pre-revenue with other companies like digi discount for example so we can offer discounts directly through the app for the events um you just kind of continue to build that network uh and you keep moving forward and then you just you know you find opportunities that way

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