Cathy Newman

And they also know that you're going to be fair.

You're not going to, you know, the gotcha questioning that's had its day.

You know, if you're trying to get the education minister to do the times tables or whatever, I mean.

You know, I struggle under pressure to do my times tables, I'm afraid.

I own up to that.

And, you know, let's not make them performing seals.

These are human beings and you want to establish that rapport.

So I think establishing a rapport is important rather than a friendship.

I suppose one of the things that I'm really impressed with at Sky is just how impactful they are across multiple different social media platforms.

And that needs to happen because that is how people are consuming their news.

You know, you need to... You know, Sky's got 11 million followers on TikTok, for example.

You know, I don't get my news by TikTok, but our kids do.

They do, yeah.

And so you've got to lean into that.

That's the first thing.

But, you know, it's...

There are moments and there are moments.

You know, for example, one of the interviews I did with Connor Burns, who was one of the staunch loyalists of Boris Johnson when the whole Partygate thing was going on.

And he was trying to explain how this birthday party against Covid rules happened.

And he said to me, I suppose, in a sense, you know, he was ambushed with a cake.