Coco Kahn

Well, I mean, that seems like a good time as any to talk about this ongoing conversation about what sort of leader Starmer is. So I'm sure you saw the news over the weekend. There was an extract from Gabriel Pogrens and Patrick McGuire's new book, Get In. Yeah. The kind of most spicy claims in it are that Tony Blair and Morgan McSweeney have questioned Starmer's look of politics, his leadership.

I mean, I don't know. There's a part of me that notes that it's often in the right wing press that we see these stories. But look, you're close to this. How much credit do you give these rumours?

I mean, I don't know. There's a part of me that notes that it's often in the right wing press that we see these stories. But look, you're close to this. How much credit do you give these rumours?

Well, I mean, I suppose as well that that far right strand have made a really good case of saying it's not possible for everyone to have nice things. It's, you know, some people will, some people won't. That's the natural order of things. And really, it's just about choosing the winning side. Do you think that if they were to ever get in charge, they would just self-implode?

Well, I mean, I suppose as well that that far right strand have made a really good case of saying it's not possible for everyone to have nice things. It's, you know, some people will, some people won't. That's the natural order of things. And really, it's just about choosing the winning side. Do you think that if they were to ever get in charge, they would just self-implode?

Or what do you think is next for reform?

Or what do you think is next for reform?

I'm going to let you go, Lewis, but just before I do... What is there to be hopeful about? Like we did our show today. Genuinely, we did our show today. And finally. Finally. What reason to get out of bed in the morning?

I'm going to let you go, Lewis, but just before I do... What is there to be hopeful about? Like we did our show today. Genuinely, we did our show today. And finally. Finally. What reason to get out of bed in the morning?

You know, thinking about the politics of Britain and the world, you know, where do we find the green shoots of change that can make certainly our progressive audience feel like, you know what? There's plenty to play for. Let's keep going.

You know, thinking about the politics of Britain and the world, you know, where do we find the green shoots of change that can make certainly our progressive audience feel like, you know what? There's plenty to play for. Let's keep going.

It was a bit of a shit sandwich there, wasn't it, though? I mean, I asked you what to be hopeful about. And, yeah, there is stuff, but... OK, it's great. Thanks, Lewis.

It was a bit of a shit sandwich there, wasn't it, though? I mean, I asked you what to be hopeful about. And, yeah, there is stuff, but... OK, it's great. Thanks, Lewis.

I was just thinking more you might say something about like, I don't know, civil assemblies or something.

I was just thinking more you might say something about like, I don't know, civil assemblies or something.

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