Dave Evans

And, you know, it's hard to get paid for that.

But he turned out to be a pretty good quantifier as well.

He kind of liked spreadsheets and even statistics a little bit.

And he found his way to doing project management, managing schedules and resources, that sort of thing, in software companies, particularly related to the way they ran their marketing programs.

So he ended up becoming a pretty well-respected marketing

project manager.

No, he was feeling he was feeling underutilized and he was feeling under recognized because what he wanted was the chance to demonstrate some creativity.

And so again, he's in a service role.

His clients, if you will, are internal people who work for the same company.

And they would come to him with, can you help us with this?

And we have this project, can you help us?

And that was his job, which he did well.

And then he would have ideas about how he could do it better, do it more creatively.

And more often than not, not only were people not interested, they didn't even want to hear about it.

Like, yeah, whatever.

I mean, where's that thing?

I mean, I ordered, you know, a hamburger with no cheese on it.

You know, I don't know what this sausage thing is, but where's my hamburger?

Right.

And he was pretty heartbroken.