Dave Evans

So that's where Fully Alive comes back in, and there are practices that allow us to do that.

And so most of what the book is really about is positing, look, there's the transactional world where all this performance is occurring, and there's a flow world which is happening right now.

Do you have access to the kinds of behaviors, the kind of awareness, the kind of attention that

In this present moment, what I call the flow world, that will allow you to experience life more deeply because more aliveness feels more meaningful.

It feels more human.

I think what we're ultimately called to be is more human.

Joseph Campbell said in an interview years ago on PBS, you know, on the meaning question, like, is it really meaning?

Or is what we're really after just the true rapture of being alive?

At the end of the day, you have to decide, is the human person fundamentally just a production engine, I equal what I did, or a living being and what I equaled was the life I lived.

So your decision about what it means to be a person is a pretty big decision.

I'm winging it because that's not first and foremost where I go.

I'm a realist.

I live in reality.

I notice people think the meaning thing is pretty important.

So I'm just going to start there.

Why might meaning have been important?

Well, that's actually going to depend a little bit on your cosmology.

Right.

I happen to be the theist on the team.

My partner, Bill, is the Nietzsche appreciating existential atheist.