Dave Evans

And then that builds up your confidence too.

If you try something and you, you know, draw some prototypes, you learn some stuff, you get a little more confident.

Eventually, you know, when you flip into these, this designer's mindset, you realize, oh, I can prototype anything.

There's really no failure here.

You know, failure is just a rule I made up in my head.

And once I get rid of that rule, I'm much more free.

But yeah, fear drives a lot of people to not try.

No, it's never too late.

Oh, yeah.

But Dave and I have been in wonderful communities.

I've been in this group of men, a men's group for 32 years because I started when my son got born and I needed to figure out how to raise a son.

And we end up, we've been around long enough that we've had some guys die and gone to their funerals and said wonderful things about them.

And then we decided, why don't we wait till we die before we say wonderful things about each other?

So we have a protocol in our men's group where you can say, I'm going to die next week.

I'd like everybody to write a eulogy.

And then you come in and then

lay there quietly and you listen to people say the most wonderful things about you right because eulogies are not about oh well you know dave had a big to-do list he crashed off lots of things his powerpoints were very well done and he always got his budget set on time nobody says that yeah they say what is a good man he was a wonderful husband he was a great father so um

Do that.

Have your friends write your eulogy and find out what you really mean to people.

It's amazing.