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That's the active ingredient in Tonkat Ali that actually has the bioactive effect that you're looking for.

There are a lot of Tonkat Ali supplements that just say Tonkat Ali or it'll say Tonkat Ali like...

100 to 1 or like 10 to 1 or whatever like these are kind of meaningless numbers from what I understand like you're not going to get a 200 to 1 version of a tongue cat and even if you did there's no indication there's any yuriko minon in it so similar to the ashwagandha you want something that actually says this is how much of the literal ingredient that does what you're looking to get out of it in it and here's a third party test to verify it so

Eurycomanone.

Got it.

E-U-R-Y-A-C-O-M-A-N-O-N-E, I think.

Yeah, that's a good question.

Boron is a mineral that is, seems to be something that is mechanistically, I wouldn't be able to say for certain what the differential is and how they affect the SHBG binding complex.

Like I would be trying to, I might misremember and I don't want to misspeak.

Yeah.

I feel like that's almost like a lower hanging fruit thing because it's just typically part of a multivitamin that may just not be dosed high enough.

And you can just like stack on top and see if it has an incremental decrease to SHBG.

And then the Tonkat is like more of a speculative one that you don't want to just like take until you've exhausted some of the other options.

But it's like the more exotic kind of like.

hammer that you might want to take to the situation if it's like your last resort before you know i've tried everything my lifestyle is perfect my diet's dialed my micronutrients are accounted for my sleep is good i don't drink i don't smoke and my total t is still inadequate and i don't feel that great should i try some of this like one of these exotic things that seems to have a reasonable safety profile and like an efficacious you know um

you know, impact in men and young healthy men at that.

Like there are literature showing the effects in young healthy men, not just like age related, like declined men.

So notable.

Now, as far as its impact on women, I would think mechanistically it would do a similar thing, but like, I don't have a study I could point to that says it's the same.

So I would think, but I don't know.