Devlin

The moment there's a little bit of a blip, we tend to drop them a little bit.

So yeah, I'm moving more towards maybe Damien McKenzie, probably starting now for the All Blacks, but Ruben Love very much as the apprentice in the background.

I just want to pick up on John's point though, John.

You're not a big believer in terms of someone like Ruben Love starting in the 10.

You talk a lot about experience.

You talk a lot about all of this other stuff.

You're more than happy to go and get a guy like Devin Flanders and say, well, you go and start in the number six jersey.

I'm not sure what the difference is.

I mean, you're going to go to South Africa with an inexperienced six or you're going to have to have experience when you go to South Africa.

I know 10 and six are different, but there's not that much difference.

Six has been the one area where we have been weak in recent times and it's cost us.

So

I'm just trying to understand this thing between some players not needing experience and other players needing experience.

But I think you've got to look at the team you're going to select and you've got to look at the plumbing of the individual and you've got to build your game plan around that.

Look, I think, Dave, really, I mean, it's still a simple game.

We say this every week.

You've got to win that battle up front.

We've got to be big.

We've got to be brutal at the breakdown.

You know, at times I still felt, particularly with the Blues on the weekend, not getting numbers to the breakdown at times and just the number of turnovers from both sides.