Dr. Angela Duckworth

Is there anything harder than writing?

No, it's like, you know, obviously you could just, you know, go and like write.

watch a cooking show on YouTube, right?

Like that would be to me a lot more fun in the moment than like really working on this paragraph or figuring out the structure of a chapter.

So there is an element of hard work that is, you know, part and parcel of excellence.

But I think we get confused because we're like, oh, I guess that's the whole thing.

No, no, no, no.

The first thing to do is choose easy.

Then, you know, work as hard as you can.

But I think we just push them together.

I think that to me is my best guess.

I mean, I don't have any data on this, but it's just my instinct that we, or my intuition that we get a little confused because, you know, to us, it's all one thing when it's really two stages.

I agree.

I actually agree.

Yes.

I got a call from a McKinsey consultant.

I'll never forget this.

This is, oh my gosh, Mel.

At least 10 years ago, 15, could be 20, this McKinsey consultant from San Francisco calls me.

And I guess it was at a time where I wasn't getting that many calls, so I just answered.