Dr. Caroline Fleck
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364 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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I feel like you really get me, all right? I can validate somebody even though I don't agree with their perspective. I can validate why somebody would eat meat even though I myself am a vegetarian. And if I wanted to try and change their opinion and have a debate, I could do that too. I could definitely find plenty that I disagree with and that I could nitpick.
But if I'm just looking for the validity in their perspective, the kernel of truth, I can look and find that and communicate that.
Oh, you are? Yeah.
Yeah.
I get it.
I absolutely, 100%. I was also most of my life until, let's see, until college.
I saw a video of animals being experimented on, and it was just a devastating video of like where they were pumping like shampoo, you know, into some little monkey's tummy.
And and I just couldn't believe it. And then when I kind of looked behind that curtain of what goes on in a lot of these industries, I just like couldn't look.
Away.
Yeah. So for me, it's purely it's actually purely ethical. So if I can speak to a lot of valid reasons why even for health reasons, like when I first tried going vegan and like literally almost killed me because I was just eating like cereal and milk. It was bad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, I can see validity and validity on both sides.
Yeah.
I hope so. Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's really this quality of like, I feel accepted. OK, so As human beings, we are different from other animals, not so much in our need for affiliation, but in our need for acceptance. We are seeking acceptance. And when we feel that, it is a powerful experience. And then it's often conveyed in these terms of like, oh, I feel so seen. I feel so hurt.
I feel like someone is looking at me and accepting who I am. And I'll, again, differentiate this from praise. That's different from me giving you a heart emoji on Instagram, which is a form of praise. It says, I like how you look, girl. I like how you perform. Which is fine. If you build your whole life around trying to get as much praise as possible, that's not going to fly well for you. Okay.
Which is why we say don't seek external validation. We really mean don't seek excessive praise. But seeking acceptance is a very different thing. And in fact, it's a very human thing. It is critical to our mental health and in some cases, truly our survival.
Absolutely.
I mean, in this country, our most extreme form of punishment is isolation. So as human beings, we will seek out negative attention over no attention, okay? It is just so detrimental.
Yeah.
It is.
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