Dr. Caroline Fleck

Now, here's the thing, though. In a perfect example, what most people do in that first scenario, when they said, oh, you must have been so excited, and the person goes, actually, no. I struggled with postpartum depression. They go... Really? Oh, next topic.

Now, here's the thing, though. In a perfect example, what most people do in that first scenario, when they said, oh, you must have been so excited, and the person goes, actually, no. I struggled with postpartum depression. They go... Really? Oh, next topic.

And they don't, they might, they just don't ever try again to show understanding. They've like, they're like, okay, I don't get it. I don't want to make things worse. And that is the biggest mistake. You've got to stay in the game. Just take it as feedback. Clearly you weren't paying close enough attention. So go back to those two skills, keep working them.

And they don't, they might, they just don't ever try again to show understanding. They've like, they're like, okay, I don't get it. I don't want to make things worse. And that is the biggest mistake. You've got to stay in the game. Just take it as feedback. Clearly you weren't paying close enough attention. So go back to those two skills, keep working them.

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And so this is like, you know, I talk about each of these skills individually, but the real skill is being able to kind of like move between these things.

And so this is like, you know, I talk about each of these skills individually, but the real skill is being able to kind of like move between these things.

And know when to, how to correct, course correct.

And know when to, how to correct, course correct.

Right. Or at the worst, we're invalidating them.

Right. Or at the worst, we're invalidating them.

Right.

Right.

So at the top, you've got these empathy skills and they communicate mindfulness, understanding and empathy in one fell swoop. This is powerful stuff. It's also at like the top of this, if you visualize a ladder. So you can imagine when you fall down from a high position, it hurts. Yes. So if you strike out with these, it can be a little ugly. All right.

So at the top, you've got these empathy skills and they communicate mindfulness, understanding and empathy in one fell swoop. This is powerful stuff. It's also at like the top of this, if you visualize a ladder. So you can imagine when you fall down from a high position, it hurts. Yes. So if you strike out with these, it can be a little ugly. All right.

And, you know, there's, they're not all super intense. Some of the most basic ones are just like emoting, like expressing your genuine emotion. Okay. But I'm trying to think of, I almost need to like show you what it looks like.

And, you know, there's, they're not all super intense. Some of the most basic ones are just like emoting, like expressing your genuine emotion. Okay. But I'm trying to think of, I almost need to like show you what it looks like.