Dr. Caroline Fleck
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364 appearances
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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I know.
I am such an animal lover. And beyond that, I think we've done such a profound... just disservice and abuse to animals that I feel like if, even if it took years off my life, I would, uh, accept that over, um, engaging in a lifestyle that would contribute to any further contribution to it, which is messed. I know that's messed up.
Yeah. But it's gonna, it might kill me, but, uh,
No, but it's bad. It's so bad. It's so bad.
I think that is the only, in my opinion, like way to reconcile that cognitive dissonance, right? Like to say that I really care about animals, but I'm going to participate in an industry that systematically abuses and tortures them. That doesn't make sense.
Now, if you say I deeply care about animals and therefore I'm going to select and really put my money behind folks who are trying to change that industry, that I can respect. Unfortunately, I often doubt the, actors in the positions of changing it. Like it takes so much research to really know and understand the distribution process and what's going on there.
And like, if I had those resources, I think I would, I mean, I would, I would probably go that route. Um, I don't. And so the easier route for me is just to say like nothing.
I'm just vegetarian. And actually, I love that you asked that because I think this is, we don't reckon with cognitive dissonance very well. We think we've got to go like all black or all white. Like, okay, I care about animals, so it's got to be to this degree, right? Which is kind of what I was just saying. Now, the reality is, like I said, when I tried to go vegan, it like almost killed me.
Like I wasn't eating. I do not cook, which is embarrassing to admit in front of- tons of people, but it's true. I've tried in the past, but I would have to make such lifestyle changes that I just haven't been able to make and sustain. So I do eat a little bit of dairy products. And I do that with open eyes. I do that with intentional awareness of what that industry looks like.
And again, as you described, trying to opt into companies that say they're doing better, whatever. But I'm not proud of that fact. And I think that's okay. I think it's something I would work toward and that I want to change. And I know that just right now where I'm at in my life, I'm not there. But that would be the end goal for me.
It's horrific. Yeah, it is horrific. And not even for animals, but just for the the planet and also the people operating within those industries, which interestingly, I've also had a couple of clients, you know, who worked in factory farms and stuff like that. And it is just it's a devastatingly dark reality to be perpetuating torture to the extent that we do to sustain factory farming.
Totally. Whichever way you totally agree. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I like I that again is another thing that I aspire to.
Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Right, right, right, right. Oh, that's a very good, that's a very good point.
And it's just not how we think about food, especially in our like excess culture of like superset and double this and double that, right? But like, let's think about what we're eating here just for like a hot second. Like, is there a better way to do this? Yeah. But it requires you to acknowledge that you are doing some degree of harm.
And that's what I was saying where I really actually value being mindful of when what you're saying and what you're doing don't align. You can't just be like, I love animals, and I'm not going to look at that right now while I'm ordering over here. It's like, hold the two simultaneously. That's OK. You don't have to be perfect.
Like you said, I aspire to have a totally plant-based diet, but I'm not there. And yet with every one of those decisions, I am thinking, do I really need cheese on this? If I were in your shoes, like, could I, you know, a cow versus a chicken? Yeah.
Yeah. And it is it's just about like not being so black or white, like, oh, well, I eat meat. So I eat meat. This is what I do. Like you can there can be all sorts of like, compassionate decisions within that that are more aligned with your values, even though you're making a decision that as a whole, maybe feels, you know, not completely in line.
Yeah, it sure was. Yeah. I could do this all day.
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