Dr. Ciara Kelly

But I suspect their reaction of maybe just withdrawal is not actually about you.

That's just about them.

It's not about you, how they behave, it's about themselves.

Did you talk to people in your own life about it or did you just let it be this unsaid thing?

Did she have any insights?

In the first place.

She's an insightful woman, isn't she?

Interesting that she wasn't a fan in the first place, but...

There is a certain callousness, I think, to dropping a friendship.

I don't really have that in me.

I would be more of the slug it out kind of person.

I would too.

But then I'd calm down and then I'd go, look, I'm sorry about that.

But, you know, we still the connection is not broken for me.

I think there's a certain callousness in a person who can... And I think that's important if you're on the receiving end to recognise that it takes a certain callousness... Just to end... To end something.

Now, some people...

And I get this, cut toxic people out of their lives.

But I know you and I happen to know you're not a toxic person.

Not currently in a way.

No, but you're not.