Grant Winstead

And that is what I'm pushing.

Because I know you're spending money on recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.

and looking for these ones that can match your certain parameters, but everybody's not going to match it.

I mean, so what you have to do, you've got to figure out a way to reach those guys that want to believe in themselves and they might not show up at the interview saying they do.

They might not even know that's the problem because their paradigms is stopping them from doing whatever they need to do.

Oh, no doubt.

That's the way my wife was.

She was like the greatest.

Her family... So...

Okay, so I'm involved in an interracial marriage, which is not easy at all, right?

Being married, number one, is a challenge, right?

But being involved in an interracial marriage, you have your own set of challenges there.

But I had the best wife because what she was able to do for me is really believe in me.

Her mom and dad believed in me.

Her brothers believed in me.

And we're talking about people that were like just really good people.

And they believed in me.

And that was able to also.

But no, you're right.

But still, Tommy, it's the mindset.