Jake White

I understand that, but for me, that's not the real reason.

As a coach, I want you when you're 26 and I've given you five years of school fees.

I need you now to run out the change room and as a 26-year-old hooker, go, okay, I've been here.

I'm going to show you how good I am.

That's the thing I talk about as a provincial coach in South Africa.

I tell you what I did learn, Neil, is I learned that you must make sure you pick assistant coaches that you know that when the heat's on, you know what they're going to be like, you know.

Okay.

That's what I did learn.

I believe, you know, someone asked me an interesting question the other day.

They said, if you had to go to a new club anywhere in the world or you could have the dream job, which coaches would you take?

And I was thinking of guys like Stephen Locke and that I coached with at the Brumbies.

And I was thinking of guys like Gert Small that I'd coached with, with the Springboks who coached Ireland.

Right.

And the reason I was thinking about those names, I was thinking about Graham Henry as a guy would come in and he'd be an advisor because I like engaging with him.

But the point was, when I sat back, I thought, you know, the easy answer to that is it doesn't matter who they are.

As long as you've got guys that you know that when the heat's on and you're sitting in the coach's box, that you never have to feel like you're getting audited by people.

You know, you want to be able to be who you are and be

For me, that would be.

And what's next?

That's the nature of our game.