James Cleverley

And I think what you see in the way that Hegseth talks about erasing people like Colin Powell from the library and the archives of the Pentagon, it's racism.

What's the role of fact and truth in this?

So when...

Donald Trump and the magazine... I'm not here to defend the Trump White House.

Let me just push this a bit further, though, because I think this is really important for maybe one of the reasons why people aren't listening to the Conservatives in the way that maybe they should be, as they're the official opposition.

When Trump...

for example, condemns London, as he does all the time.

You might be mayor of London, as Rory said earlier, you certainly might be the candidate.

And when he says that we have Sharia law, when he says that he's got this horrible human being in charge of London, a Muslim, I actually think that Sadiq's amazingly restrained, and I wish our front bench, the Labour front bench, would push back harder at this stuff, because I think it's poisoning our politics.

Elon Musk, another one.

Every day, we stop to...

American YouTubers come in last week for being not conducive to the national good.

Elon Musk is not conducive to the national good.

Nobody ever calls it out.

And it's wrong, and it's corrupt, and it's a danger to democracies around the world.

And that's difficult.

I agree it's difficult.

But with Ukraine, Ukraine's a very good example to me.

Ukraine is surviving against Russia, despite the United States, which I think Rory and I both feel now is on Putin's side.

And the thing about calling it out, I suspect that Trump right now gives more respect to Mark Carney than most of the other leaders in the world, because Mark Carney has called it out and he called out in Davos and Trump didn't like it.