James Gill

You can't build software and have a shitty product and just try and have a load of salespeople and try and sell it as fast as you can.

You've got to have a good product.

That's what we really wake up every morning wanting to do.

We're finally at that point now where we feel like we could think how much more we could grow if we

put a bit more into the marketing side of things.

So, um, yeah, next steps.

No, like we, we dipped our toes in the water with it in the past, but we, we, on the marketing side, we've always, um, one of the things that's helped us grow so much is we, we started a blog very early on, um, you know, back, I think like 2007, um,

And that's been a big source of traffic for us.

And we've just tried to write about what we're learning and try to write stuff that we feel is educational.

And I think like, I don't know, I think it's like Gary Vaynerchuk and all these people, you know, educate people, help people, help people, help people.

And they'll give something back.

And that's kind of always been our mindset.

And we much more enjoy writing to like trying to figure out the Google AdWords console.

You know, that's we've never figured that out.

Yeah.

Heading towards that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's, that's all part of the right area.

Anything weird we've done?