Jason Donovan

And also you start to do it on your own.

which is a trap as well.

And then you don't even realize that that's happening.

And it just catches up with me.

So the good news is, the good news is I now know what I don't want to do and haven't done that for 20, 25 years.

The catalyst for change was meeting my wife.

She didn't change me, but the time, that time changed me.

The birth of Gemma, the realization that I could get out now and

I was still in my 30s.

You know, enough time for the body to repair.

Do you know what I mean?

There's enough time to get back time.

I hadn't blown out, you know.

I was quite good with money, you know.

I didn't blow all of that away, you know.

I was quite good like that.

Still am.

tell me i got my dreams came true when i was 20 21 without a handbook how to discover and navigate my way through what was happening to me i built that tree those roots those foundations for a good life i managed to burn some of the twigs and the leaves and along the way but i've i've i believe

I've still got some great foundations, you know, and maybe a bit of the Aussie, maybe the fact that I was in a TV series, not a pop star who believed, you know, his own hype the whole time.

Do you know what I mean?