Jason Wachub

Primal kitchen.

He lives on the beach.

Different life stage because he's in his early 70s.

And he was, I think it was on the show, he was telling me a story.

He was in the plunge and Mark is in ridiculous shape.

And he's in the plunge and he said some guy got in there with him.

And, you know, he started competing with Mark and makes a point of saying, like, you know, how long were you in here, Mark?

And Mark's like, you know, three minutes, whatever.

He said, well, I got seven minutes.

Mark was like, what did that get you?

Like, dude, you're like, you got to get in shape and work out.

But like, who cares?

Like, are you trying to kill yourself?

Like, it doesn't look like you've done this before.

I have a lot of respect for Mark in that I find him to be very ethical.

I find him to... He's his own man.

He has his opinion, he beats to his own drum, and he's not here to please anyone in a very positive way.

I don't think he's looking for controversy.

Just here's how I see it.

It's funny you say that my wife will often hit the sauna in the early evening after dinner before we get our kids ready for bed.