Jason Wachub

And to me, that's gold.

Even though these aren't quote unquote like me, we don't like stop and necessarily talk about, you know, the problems we're facing at home or what have you.

It's just, hey, how's it going?

Good to see you.

Well, you mentioned dystopian, and I have to go to your story of Chilean miners, because that story is, I think, probably would be certainly one of my worst nightmares and probably a lot of our listeners.

But I'll let you tell the story and talk about some of the lessons.

What role do you think faith plays here?

And going back to this town of Vermont that produces Olympians, let's talk about that.

We've got the Olympics here.

Yeah, it feels like very like, it's a wonderful life.

I think, you know, Jimmy Stewart's about to pop out of the book any moment and, you know, we'll...

On the subject of annoyance, I think most Parisians are annoyed with Americans.

And you talk about a disconnected Paris district in the book that kind of reinvented himself.

Could you speak to that example?

It reminds me, years ago, I read a book.

It's killing me.

It's escaping which book it was.

But there was a chapter around megachurches.

And the thesis was the secret of the megachurch wasn't the pastor or the big Sunday sermon.

It was the small groups.