Jason Wachub

And it reminded me of what you said, where they got together around shared interests.

They had agency.

And it was these small groups that met throughout the week, and there were lots of them.

That was the glue to the megachurch, not necessarily this agency.

enthusiastic great pastor sermon who showed up every Sunday to speak to thousands of people.

It was these small groups that drove everything.

My guess would be in these communities, people are happier, they're healthier, they're living longer.

Crime is probably

uh, low, like there, there are multiple benefits.

Well, you mentioned fix.

In my view, you should be on speed dial for every mayor in America who's trying to turn their city around.

But is it all seriousness?

Do you work with municipalities, with cities, with mayors?

Because if I'm stepping into a job in a city and we've got some issues to work through,

this seems like something that is worthwhile.

Let's talk about an organization you've worked with there and what was an issue and how you came in and worked with them and what that looked like.

Let's talk about that, because I think that's a hot topic these days, coming off of Indiana's win over Miami in the college football championship.

In your view, what does make for a great coach?

What are those qualities?

Let's talk about the model of excellence.