Jeff Hiller

And the pastor would stand up there, you know, kind of give a show.

It was lovely.

Yes, I did.

And I found it, I was in choir in school in addition to at church.

And it was really, that was also sort of a safe place at school.

It was like a community.

And you all had to blend and come together.

And so people were looking for how you could unite.

And everyone else in every other class was looking for how they could unite.

you know, hit me or, or make fun of me or, or call me names.

And, um, the choir was this really unifying, cohesive space.

I do like to help people and I do want to, um,

Belong to a community?

I've since realized I'm probably not the best, like, overt leader.

I'm probably more of a follower.

But I thought I could help people in that way.

And I thought I could be there not only providing sort of logistic help, like with...

whatever food if you're hungry, but also emotional help.

Because there is such a tradition of pastors being sort of semi-therapists too when people are having problems.

And I thought I could do that well.