Jeffrey Goldberg

You never know where you are.

And I don't know if Israel will be the Israel of my youth.

ever again, meaning a liberal-minded democracy that is trying to come to some kind of equitable solution to the fundamental dilemma.

I do know that there are plenty of opportunities in the past for Palestinians to have some satisfaction in the form of a state in part of the land they claim.

They rejected that and that fed, obviously, the rise of the right.

But what concerns me most in this framework is that Netanyahu has opened up, to go back to the Pandora's box idea, opened up Pandora's box by bringing in

People into the government who never would have been allowed into a previous Israeli government.

And once they have gained power, I don't know how they're easily dislodged.

It's too difficult for this podcast.

It's hard.

No, no, it is.

It's like it's too it's too deep.

I mean, there's a number of issues.

Nobody wants to see a second Holocaust, obviously.

Well, actually, I shouldn't say that.

There are many members of the faculty of Columbia that would like to see a second Holocaust, apparently.

But no one wants to see six, seven million Jews of Israel wiped out.

First of all, it's a silly point because Israel has 150 nuclear weapons.

The Jews are not going to easily agree to die.

And so I am concerned as a Jewish person and as a human being